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View Poll Results: Is music best on vinyl?
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Old 06-19-2022, 07:13 PM   #41 (permalink)
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You’re free to be as ill-informed and delusional as you want.
How did you become so smart? Was it genetic, or did you have to work at it?
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Old 06-20-2022, 12:46 AM   #42 (permalink)
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How did you become so smart? Was it genetic, or did you have to work at it?
In your case you’re lucky ignorance can be bliss.
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Old 06-20-2022, 01:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Elph, is that a Slits quote in your signature, you typical girl?
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Old 06-21-2022, 10:10 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Define ‘audiophile’.

Why would anyone have a ‘favorite kind of record collector’?

Too often in discussions such as this such staggering ignorance is in evidence there’s little or no point in continuing.
1. My definition of an audiophile is basically anybody that puts the "performance" of the audio equipment over the "perfomance" of the artist. That isn't even a bad thing inherently. I know a lot of audiophiles that really like to engage with the audio quality aspect of record collecting and listening. We all do to a degree. I prefer to collect records VG+ or better and I get miffed if I hear too many pops or tics on my records when there isn't supposed to be much of that.

However, there is a line that gets crossed far too often where audiophiles fall into pretty insufferable creatures. Going out of the way to describe how much money they spent on their gear, going into excruciating detail about the f*cking highs and mids, and generally sh*tting on any setup valued below ten grand or any pressing of a record that isn't of teh highest possible quality of mastering.

Generally I find audiophiles collecting a lot of classical. There is a whole sub-division of classical listeners who went the way of the CD long ago for reasons already discussed in this thread but there are still a bunch who have very large classical record collections. This is because most classical music pressings from 60's onward were mastered and engineered with audiophiles in mind. They're amazing quality and generally the people who buy them take good care of their records. They're not throwing that sh*t on at parties like Black Sabbath records and having beer spilled on it. Parties weren't that cool.

There's a whole clique of people who collect "audiophile" records which are basically anything that was made with the main goal of getting the most out of their hi-fi system. I have bought collections where there really isn't a general sense of "taste" but more of a collection consisting of anything that is engineered to that audiophile quality. These can be great records by the way. It's my opinon however that a lot of these were purchased just because of their reputation as audiohile records rather than the actual content of the music.

Some examples...

Arne Domnérus, Bengt Hallberg, Georg Riedel, Egil Johansen + Lars Erstrand ‎– Jazz At The Pawnshop
Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman
Anything Mobile Fidelity
Jennifer Warnes - The Hunter
Steely Dan and Dire Straits
Anything on Water Lily Acoustics Label
Anything Analogue Productions

Just a few examples. There's nothing wrong with owning any of the above. It's just that big time audiophile snobs WILL own these records or be on the lookout for them.

2. I have varrying degrees of "favorite" kinds of record collectors because I deal with records collectors 45 hours a week and have been for over four years as somebody who runs a record shop. Whether or not you choose to find my opinons on this matter valid or not is up to you but I run one of more popular digging spots in the NYC Metro area which is a very popular hot spot for record collecting for its obvious music heritage ties. I don't just work at a record store (you're a doll by the way TH. Thanks for the backup) but I curate and operate a business that has record collectors as its main clientele. It's like questioning a bartender about why they have ceratin opinions about their bar patrons. Well, because that's all I deal with silly goose.

But, what the hell do I know?
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Old 06-22-2022, 03:06 AM   #45 (permalink)
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1. My definition of an audiophile is basically anybody that puts the "performance" of the audio equipment over the "perfomance" of the artist. That isn't even a bad thing inherently. I know a lot of audiophiles that really like to engage with the audio quality aspect of record collecting and listening. We all do to a degree. I prefer to collect records VG+ or better and I get miffed if I hear too many pops or tics on my records when there isn't supposed to be much of that.
There are audiophiles who are also music lovers BUT if I’ve been invited around for an evening of music only to have tracks/songs played half way before interconnects, cartridge or amplifier are changed for comparison I take my leave.

As to collecting records VG + or better for me it isn’t simple. Some brand new ‘audiophile’ pressings need to be put over a well designed LP cleaning machine to make them tolerable. Some dirty looking used LP’s that haven’t been played with a wrecked stylus can be bought back to pristine condition, if the vinyl they were pressed from wasn’t re-cycled crap. So, it aint simple. I’ve invested in an ultrasonic LP cleaning machine after years of using a vacuum machine with liquid cleaning fluid I formulated myself. I don’t expect very many people to go to the extremes I do in caring for my LP collection. I’m immune to being told I’m insane because I don’t survive on MP 3 downloads but I take great joy in playing LP’s recorded onto tape on my ancient Nakamichi ‘Dragon’ cassette deck while fooling listeners they’re enjoying the best of digital.

There’s something else that’s been lurking at the back of my mind when posters here have gone ballistic criticising anyone who spends ’silly money’ on high end speakers. Why do they imagine the speakers below are so popular with BOTH recording studios and ‘audiophools' like me? And no, that’s not the speaker I now run. I’ve found a new US design that does a better job for about half the price.
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:34 AM   #46 (permalink)
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[FONT="Times New Roman"][SIZE="4"]There are audiophiles who are also music lovers BUT if I’ve been invited around for an evening of music only to have tracks/songs played half way before interconnects, cartridge or amplifier are changed for comparison I take my leave.
That's the kind I'm talking about.

There are people who like to drink wine and will spend money doing it and there are people who only want people to hear how much they can pick out certain flavor notes. Holy f*ck, I don't care.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:09 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Do you guys know why hipsters love vinyl records? I'm referring to the younger generation that started listening to them after the year 2000.
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I don’t know why but music always sounds better to me on records. Anyone feel the same way? What do you think is vinyl the best way to listen to an artist?
It all depends on the mastering of the record and audio gear. These would apply to CDs as well. Properly mastered CDs and good DACs can't be touched by vinyl.
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Do you guys know why hipsters love vinyl records? I'm referring to the younger generation that started listening to them after the year 2000.
It's my understanding that hipsters love anything seen as "retro". I'm surprised they don't all go around with Sony Walkmans and have rotary dial telephones in their houses, watching their CRT TVs and listening to Edison phonographs.
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I had several when I was younger. Proper Sony ones, also others. Cheaper models, and then one state-of-the-art one which had auto reverse! Wow! I also had one with a recording mechanism in it, one with a radio (which I never used) and one that was silver and no larger than a pack of cigarettes. They were great for their time, but of course you were limited by recording techniques, so while the music sounded great, it wouldn't have satisfied one of our audiophile friends.

They were relatively cheap too - I think in the 15/20 quid mark, less than you'd pay for a CD today - and most of them were damned tough. If you dropped them, your only real concern would be that your tape was all right. I don't think any of the ones I owned ever suffered any structural or mechanical damage. They were built to last.
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