Guybrush

They shouldn't be exactly the same. Constraints to the vinyl format means you need to create a vinyl master of a song to go on vinyl. This may include cutting and centering bass, cutting very high frequencies (though many do this anyways) and perhaps mastering less loud.

A digital master, which is free of those constraints, will usually be mastered differently (and in ways I generally prefer).

In other words, don't bother "ripping" your vinyls to make lossless flacs or mp3s. Rather search for a digital master.

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Trollheart

Yeah but I don't think the albums they're selling today on vinyl are digital masters. That's my point. Mind you, I could be wrong, but if so, they're sure not trumpeting about it on the record cover.

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Guybrush

I feel like we're miscommuicating. What I tried to say is that vinyls have vinyl masters and digital formats have digital masters. At least that's how it should be.

Hence, there is a discernible difference between a song if you play it on a vinyl vs. listening to it on a streaming service. F.ex it's probably gonna have less low end on vinyl. Some prefer vinyl masters, but I don't.

I'm just replying to your post here in which you seem to think there's no difference.

Vinyl releases are (re)mastered for their particular format, making this statement wrong.

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Trollheart

Are they? So you're saying that if I bought, say, Ziggy Stardust on vinyl now it would sound different to the copy I already have, bought in the early 80s? Is it worth paying over four times the price though?

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Guybrush

They will generally sound different from CDs / streaming, yes. You can see more about this in the video I posted if you want.

I assume different releases of the same album on vinyl will also usually sound different, although probably less apparent. They can release it with a previously used master, buy if they have a stereo mixdown (which I assume is usually the case), it seems reasonable to assume one would master it again for a new release. You can put it through some new hardware / software, perhaps update it a bit according to the times (bit more compression / loudness maybe), etc. At least if the master is old and you're able, it seems weird not to do it.

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Ayn Marx

Sorry if this comes across as rude but you lot have no idea what you’re talking about.
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ion-turntables

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Guybrush

If you've invested in vinyl equipment with prices like this:

TechDAS Air Force One Premium: $162,000 w/titanium upper platter

You better hope we don't know what we're talking about.

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Ayn Marx

You don’t. . . . . . . https://www.stereophile.com/content/...-elite-tonearm

There are overpriced pieces of junk selling well in many fields, cars, clothes, watches, turntables. However, none of that changes the laws of physics and electronics in relation to LP reproduction. Getting a microscopically small sculptured diamond to track the grooves in an LP is a mature science the rules of which are well known. The fact so many of you know nothing of these and/or have never experienced a state of the art analogue system strutting its stuff changes none of this. Having said that it needs to be noted that there are many excellent yet reasonably priced LP decks/cartridges out there BUT the fact must be faced to get the very best out of this particular technology requires serious money and commitment. I can understand why few have the inclination or disposable income to follow that path. Being the owner of thousands of LP’s in mint or near mint condition is only one of my reasons for going down a path I expect few to follow. Don’t however try and tell me I’m wasting my hard earned money unless you really know what you’re talking about.
Now here’s something to really make steam come out of your ears.
https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ono-cartridges

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Guybrush

Sure, you can spend tens of thousands on getting a deck that eliminates some of the common problems with LPs. Like you write, it's gonna cost ya.

Or you could, you know, switch to a medium which doesn't have those problems, is more convenient and generally has better masters (digital).

Why spend thousands polishing a turd?

As someone who makes music, I find it morbidly interesting to see someone could willingly spend more money on a turntable than I spent on my entire studio.

In music production communities, they talk about GAS which is short for Gear Acquisition Syndrome which is a sort of mental illness where you just gotta have stuff or better stuff for less and less gain. You can lose sight of the important stuff. I sometimes like to think about studios like Motown and how they'd cut their cables and just twine them together. So many recording engineers, producers, musicians didn't have state of the art equip or barely knew what they were doing, yet still managed to make great music. The beauty in a song isn't found in the 70 000+ Hz frequencies that your diamond stylus can pick up (and that generally don't exist because we cut them off with an EQ).

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Ayn Marx

Because on my system playing my LP’s there’s nothing ’turdlike' to be heard. As to ‘better masters’ are you aware a high proportion of the digital files you’ve been listening too from a few decades ago were copied from analogue masters ?
My morbid interest in pursuing something you regard as a necessarily inferior technology? Consider the fact I’ve inherited multiple thousands of pristine LP’s, most played only once on high-end gear, many of which have never been re-released in digital format.

How I spend my money is my business. You’re free to denigrate that pursuit if it makes you feel superior is some misguided manner. You might also be interested to know I listen to high-resolution digital downloads of recently recorded music. As to spending ‘more money on a turntable than you’ve spent on your entire studio’ you aren’t in the possession of the actual figures to make that comparison. Nor do you have the slightest understanding of what is required to get the best from analogue and I’m sure you’ve never heard it unless in you’re delusion digital files you’ve praised were actually taken from analogue masters.
In short I’m again saying you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.