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View Poll Results: Is music best on vinyl?
Yes 10 52.63%
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Old 05-30-2022, 10:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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u know what i like about mp3 and 4's u can edit them cut them copy them combine them with other songs DJ style shorten them lengthen them

and best of all change the eq with different styles
Yeah, you can't do that with records lololol.
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Old 05-31-2022, 06:20 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I suppose it's kind of like any argument between old tech and new tech. Some people may prefer rotary phones, or say that TVs were better before they came up with flatscreens. Some will say reading a book in your hand is far better than reading it off a kindle screen. Photographers will swear developing your own photos, setting F-stops, adjusting for exposure etc was far better than this point-and-shoot digital effort. I think vinyl though is the one thing where a larger part of those who used it originally (and had to) appreciate the new formats more, and few would go back to it. Vinyl is fine - it certainly looks well and it's far more impressive to collect, as Exo says, than a bunch of CDs - but it suffered from some serious design flaws compared to today's recording media, and nostalgia is all well and good, when you have the choice. But in terms of sounding better than CDs? No. I don't think so, although as I pointed out I'm not an audiophile. All I know is I was delighted to be able to play an album and not worry if I bumped the record player or moved too fast and the damn thing skipped or jumped.

There will always be those who want the past and look back to it saying things were better then. There will also be those who look back to that era as "retro" and want to collect the tech from it, either to try to imagine what it was like playing records back then, or for collector purposes. But one thing that makes collecting vinyl out of the question here, in Ireland anyway, is the price. I saw the new Iron Maiden album on sale on vinyl for fifty euro! How can that be justified when the CD costs half that?
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Old 05-31-2022, 07:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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People who are religious about vinyl (not saying you are, but some are) should take a little time off to watch this.

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Old 05-31-2022, 09:43 AM   #14 (permalink)
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vinyl is fine I guess, and I have a small collection of records myself, but if you're gonna make me buy any new vinyl at this point you better include a lossless digital copy tyvm
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Old 05-31-2022, 10:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Record companies are definitely taking advantage of the vinyl revival. I can't believe the cost of new records these days. Disgusting.

All I know is if I started collecting vinyl, my wife would demand we move to a million dollar house to store it all!
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This is exactly my point. It's not like it's re-recorded, remastered or improved for vinyl listening, at least so far as I know. What you get today on a vinyl album is likely to be either what you would have got in my day (70s/80s) on an album or what you can get today on CD. Other than aesthetics, or if you're a collector, it makes no sense at all to shell out all that extra money and get nothing that you wouldn't get, sonically or musically, with a CD.
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This is exactly my point. It's not like it's re-recorded, remastered or improved for vinyl listening, at least so far as I know. What you get today on a vinyl album is likely to be either what you would have got in my day (70s/80s) on an album or what you can get today on CD. Other than aesthetics, or if you're a collector, it makes no sense at all to shell out all that extra money and get nothing that you wouldn't get, sonically or musically, with a CD.
They shouldn't be exactly the same. Constraints to the vinyl format means you need to create a vinyl master of a song to go on vinyl. This may include cutting and centering bass, cutting very high frequencies (though many do this anyways) and perhaps mastering less loud.

A digital master, which is free of those constraints, will usually be mastered differently (and in ways I generally prefer).

In other words, don't bother "ripping" your vinyls to make lossless flacs or mp3s. Rather search for a digital master.
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Yeah but I don't think the albums they're selling today on vinyl are digital masters. That's my point. Mind you, I could be wrong, but if so, they're sure not trumpeting about it on the record cover.
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Yeah but I don't think the albums they're selling today on vinyl are digital masters. That's my point. Mind you, I could be wrong, but if so, they're sure not trumpeting about it on the record cover.
I feel like we're miscommuicating. What I tried to say is that vinyls have vinyl masters and digital formats have digital masters. At least that's how it should be.

Hence, there is a discernible difference between a song if you play it on a vinyl vs. listening to it on a streaming service. F.ex it's probably gonna have less low end on vinyl. Some prefer vinyl masters, but I don't.

I'm just replying to your post here in which you seem to think there's no difference.

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This is exactly my point. It's not like it's re-recorded, remastered or improved for vinyl listening, at least so far as I know. What you get today on a vinyl album is likely to be either what you would have got in my day (70s/80s) on an album or what you can get today on CD. Other than aesthetics, or if you're a collector, it makes no sense at all to shell out all that extra money and get nothing that you wouldn't get, sonically or musically, with a CD.
Vinyl releases are (re)mastered for their particular format, making this statement wrong.
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Are they? So you're saying that if I bought, say, Ziggy Stardust on vinyl now it would sound different to the copy I already have, bought in the early 80s? Is it worth paying over four times the price though?
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