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rubber soul 08-30-2021 06:29 AM

Maybe you have to look at the intent of the artist/songwriter/etc. I think a more egregious example, historically at least, would be the minstrel shows where white men performed in blackface, Al Jolson being perhaps the most famous example of this. A product of the times I guess.

Terrapin_Station 08-30-2021 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 2183365)
Maybe you have to look at the intent of the artist/songwriter/etc. I think a more egregious example, historically at least, would be the minstrel shows where white men performed in blackface, Al Jolson being perhaps the most famous example of this. A product of the times I guess.

Re it being egregious, what would you say that Jolson's intent was?

rubber soul 08-30-2021 06:55 AM

Honestly, I don't know. It could be that Jolson was just a product of his time. In the 1920s and 1930s, it was in style to make fun of minorities, particularly African-Americans, so no one ( or at least no white persons) batted an eye when someone would go on screen in blackface and do some ridiculous caricature. It was an era when the KKK was popular enough to control the government of Oklahoma for a time. Racism was more obvious in the movies but there are plenty of racist songs from the early period of recording as well.

Frownland 08-30-2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183354)
Which black man's perspective, though?

The black character in Ol Man River.

Terrapin_Station 08-30-2021 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2183372)
The black character in Ol Man River.

Sure, so a particular fictional character.

Frownland 08-30-2021 07:01 AM

A black man's perspective, like I said.

Terrapin_Station 08-30-2021 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 2183371)
Honestly, I don't know. It could be that Jolson was just a product of his time. In the 1920s and 1930s, it was in style to make fun of minorities, particularly African-Americans, so no one ( or at least no white persons) batted an eye when someone would go on screen in blackface and do some ridiculous caricature. It was an era when the KKK was popular enough to control the government of Oklahoma for a time. Racism was more obvious in the movies but there are plenty of racist songs from the early period of recording as well.

I don't think there's any good reason to believe that Jolson was "making fun of" anyone. Not that I agree that "making fun of" people should be verboten expression in the first place, but I don't think there's any good reason to believe that that's what he was doing.


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