|
Register | Blogging | Today's Posts | Search |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
08-29-2021, 09:24 AM | #32 (permalink) |
SOPHIE FOREVER
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: East of the Southern North American West
Posts: 35,541
|
Fund around and find out.
__________________
Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. |
08-29-2021, 11:31 AM | #33 (permalink) | ||
carpe musicam
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Les Barricades Mystérieuses
Posts: 7,710
|
Quote:
I have an example though not so musically ... So do you find it offensive the Leprechaun being culturally appropriated by an American college football team? Do you find the image of the Leprechaun itself offensive? Are you afraid if you fall asleep on the beach a Leprechaun will drag you into the sea? ... perhaps you could be saved by a selkie.
__________________
Quote:
"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº? “I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac. “If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle. "If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon "I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards |
||
08-29-2021, 06:51 PM | #36 (permalink) | |||
Go ahead, Mr. Wendal
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 1,019
|
Quote:
Also, when you think of it, the fact that Sinatra sung it might've brought the song to a wider audience, and influence the thinking/feeling of people more people (even in a subconscious manner). Also, as you pointed out the song was actually written by a white man. You could look for some sort of cultural appropriation rather here, than with Sinatra. But really – isn't t rather a sign of good will or sensibility of the author/performer? [Maybe you just felt creeped out by the rendition because it was bad? ] Quote:
I wouldn't. Simply because don't really see nationalities in people (sure, there are some cultural deferences, but nothing to not be able to overcome), rather the person itself. If some Hans Jurgen wanted to sing a song about the holocaust (not likely to happen, I'm not sure I've ever heard a pop song about the holocaust, but let's say there'd be one), I'd rather see it as a sign of that individuals grief, emotions, sensibility, etc. It's Hans singing about the WW2, and not a German singing about it. The same might apply here to Sinatra. Quote:
The Beatles (and many other British groups) often used Indian instruments on their records. Should they? India had been a British colony for a long time. Is this acceptable or not? Or is a man singing about women's rights someone who commits appropriation of a subject? You know where I'm getting at? Also, today's German people are not responsible for their grandfathers' and grangrandfathers' actions. Just like Sinatra is not responsible for slavery, nor am I or you responsible for the fact that women didn't have the right to vote until 70-80 years ago. |
|||
08-29-2021, 07:00 PM | #37 (permalink) | |
Go ahead, Mr. Wendal
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 1,019
|
Quote:
I'd also add to the racial/tribal enumeration "national" |
|
08-29-2021, 07:03 PM | #38 (permalink) | |
Go ahead, Mr. Wendal
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 1,019
|
Quote:
This is actually "using someone" or someone's art to make yourself rich. It has nothing to do with cultural appropriation. |
|
08-29-2021, 07:07 PM | #39 (permalink) | |
SOPHIE FOREVER
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: East of the Southern North American West
Posts: 35,541
|
Quote:
I glossed over the Sinatra discussion so not sure if it's been brought up, but an important note is that his version was performed the a NAACP event. If I were him I might've adapted the lyrics or introduced it along the lines of it being a shared struggle to account for him taking on a black man's perspective or something but I wouldn't call that an egregious case. 50s exotica is a better example of cultural appropriation since a good deal of it creates an alien version of what white people imagine the music of a country sounds like. That occasionally took over the public perception of what those regional musics sounded like, closing many nonwesternized traditions out of the spotlight. It's an analogy that attempts to individualize a pretty dispersed scenario, it's not going to be 1:1.
__________________
Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. |
|
08-30-2021, 06:59 AM | #40 (permalink) |
Music Addict
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: NYC Man
Posts: 877
|
Which black man's perspective, though? It's not as if they all have the same perspective by virtue of being black, lol. That's very transparently just the same sort of thinking error that fuels racism in the first place.
|
|