Musical Culture Appropriation?

Terrapin_Station · 08-29-2021, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Retribution should reach all spheres of exploitation but the cultural level, especially when it falls along nationalistic lines, is one of the more obvious cases to recognize and resolve.

Singapore is wealthy but doesn't have the industry influence that an American mainstream artist like Swift would have, not really comparable imo. Even so, it'd be pretty cool if she spotlighted the Singaporean artists that influenced her if she doesn't already (not familiar with her career outside of that one single that made her big tbh).

Wouldn't it be better to achieve economic (relative) egalitarianism via some other means, like reorganizing governments/economic systems in general and even getting rid of different countries altogether?

**Frownland** · 08-29-2021, 08:22 AM

I don't see it as either/or. Achieving what I'm looking for is pretty close to the economic egalitarianism that would eliminate the need for sovereign nations regardless.

Terrapin_Station · 08-29-2021, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't see it as either/or. Achieving what I'm looking for is pretty close to the economic egalitarianism that would eliminate the need for sovereign nations regardless.

Well, re basically copyrighting general ideas, how would you suggest that we establish provenance there? How many steps do we go back?

**Frownland** · 08-29-2021, 08:32 AM

Five.

Probably better to do away with copyright and develop a cultural norm of seeking and promoting said influences as well as up-and-coming regional artists though.

Terrapin_Station · 08-29-2021, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Five.

Probably better to do away with copyright and develop a cultural norm of seeking and promoting said influences as well as up-and-coming regional artists though.

Okay but then a lot of people who were influences are going to get screwed. For example, take your guy in Africa who was recorded by some western artist and used as inspiration for whatever album. Say the western artist promotes the guy he recorded. Well, what about the guy who influenced the guy who was recorded? And what about the guy who influenced him, and so on? (And of course this is all pretending that anyone has a small number of influences rather than hundreds.)

**Frownland** · 08-29-2021, 08:46 AM

Pay them too.

Terrapin_Station · 08-29-2021, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Pay them too.

Who is paying them and how is it regulated?

If it's not regulated, a lot of people are going to opt out, especially as we go further along the pipeline.

**Frownland** · 08-29-2021, 08:58 AM

The labels and estates of famous artists, and I'm regulating them with my wisdom.

Terrapin_Station · 08-29-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The labels and estates of famous artists, and I'm regulating them with my wisdom.

Why would they be responsible for paying people way down the pipeline?

For example:

Joe Schmoe, Interscope recording artist, was influenced by Betty Binghoffer, who Joe Schmoe heard play at some dive bar. Well, Betty was influenced by her brother Bubba, and Bubba was influenced by an obscure self-released cassette he heard by the Lubbernids, and John from the Lubbernids was influenced by his mom Alicia, and Alicia was influenced by a homeless guy who used to hang out in front of McDonald's and sing, and so on.

Why is Joe Schmoe and his label responsible for paying the homeless guy and not Alice?

**Frownland** · 08-29-2021, 09:20 AM

Because I said so, duh.

btw, this is already happening, partially the point of the thread

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

Okay but then a lot of people who were influences are going to get screwed.

08-29-2021, 08:22 AM	#22 (permalink)
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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Five. Probably better to do away with copyright and develop a cultural norm of seeking and promoting said influences as well as up-and-coming regional artists though. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Pay them too. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-29-2021, 08:58 AM	#28 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The labels and estates of famous artists, and I'm regulating them with my wisdom. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x