The end of musical innovation

Ninetales · 05-19-2021, 11:10 AM

From wolfmother to greta van vleet dont tell me the 00s dont have innovation too

Guybrush · 05-19-2021, 11:16 AM

As I mentioned, there was something akin to a cambrian explosion in music culture. What I mean by that is a rapid diversification of musical expression. It was fueled in part by the rise of aforementioned youth culture and popularization of the idea that you (yes, you) can pick up a guitar or bassoon or whatever and make cool music, perhaps join a band.

Because the blueprints for how to do that weren't as established then as it is now, musical expression varied and evolved very rapidly, much like life in the cambrian explosion. There were unexplored musical niches, like the world of possibilities that became available when people started getting distorted sounds from their electric guitars. Or when people started using the moog or whatever.

Today, we have most of those expressions still around in addition to new innovations and while there may be a ****load of innovation going on also today due to the sheer volume of music being made, most of the big innovations in music (like distorted guitar) have already been made. Hence, I think it may feel like innovation is slowing down, similar to how it feels like advances in gaming graphics have slowed down compared to what it was like through the 90s. I'm sure there are so many people working on visual technology that the number of innovations in that field is actually quite big, but just looking at gaming in general, it feels like it was more innovative in the past.

**Frownland** · 05-19-2021, 11:40 AM

Time also hasn't sifted the cream of the crop for us yet. The earth feels flat but a wider view shows that's not the case, this is similar.

The Batlord · 05-19-2021, 04:29 PM

Who the **** ever said you could pick up a bassoon and play cool music?

Guybrush · 05-19-2021, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Who the **** ever said you could pick up a bassoon and play cool music?

Why, Lindsay Cooper, of course.

**Frownland** · 05-19-2021, 05:54 PM

Ja, "the scene" is dead. Niches spread now without geographical care so you might have more people in total playing whatever genre variant, but the reliable audiences that come with a local scene are gone and you gotta put in more legwork to get noticed.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

but this feels like that running "they don't make em like they used to" thread already

Always has been

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 05-19-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I feel like in the past 20 years or so there has been a slowdown of new things happening in music

That could be because pop musicians and the music industry is spending too much time still trying to milk this when it's pretty much run dry.

adidasss · 05-19-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the 60s had a lot more innovative music than Bob Dylan and The Beatles

I mean even Syd Barett Floyd...Silver Apples...The Monks (and that's just Rock music!)

I know. I was sticking to chart toppers

adidasss · 05-19-2021, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

As I mentioned, there was something akin to a cambrian explosion in music culture. What I mean by that is a rapid diversification of musical expression. It was fueled in part by the rise of aforementioned youth culture and popularization of the idea that you (yes, you) can pick up a guitar or bassoon or whatever and make cool music, perhaps join a band.

Because the blueprints for how to do that weren't as established then as it is now, musical expression varied and evolved very rapidly, much like life in the cambrian explosion. There were unexplored musical niches, like the world of possibilities that became available when people started getting distorted sounds from their electric guitars. Or when people started using the moog or whatever.

Today, we have most of those expressions still around in addition to new innovations and while there may be a ****load of innovation going on also today due to the sheer volume of music being made, most of the big innovations in music (like distorted guitar) have already been made. Hence, I think it may feel like innovation is slowing down, similar to how it feels like advances in gaming graphics have slowed down compared to what it was like through the 90s. I'm sure there are so many people working on visual technology that the number of innovations in that field is actually quite big, but just looking at gaming in general, it feels like it was more innovative in the past.

Agree.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 05-28-2021, 07:40 PM

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	As I mentioned, there was something akin to a cambrian explosion in music culture. What I mean by that is a rapid diversification of musical expression. It was fueled in part by the rise of aforementioned youth culture and popularization of the idea that you (yes, you) can pick up a guitar or bassoon or whatever and make cool music, perhaps join a band. Because the blueprints for how to do that weren't as established then as it is now, musical expression varied and evolved very rapidly, much like life in the cambrian explosion. There were unexplored musical niches, like the world of possibilities that became available when people started getting distorted sounds from their electric guitars. Or when people started using the moog or whatever. Today, we have most of those expressions still around in addition to new innovations and while there may be a ***load of innovation going on also today due to the sheer volume of music being made, most of the big innovations in music (like distorted guitar) have already been made. Hence, I think it may feel like innovation is slowing down, similar to how it feels like advances in gaming graphics have slowed down compared to what it was like through the 90s. I'm sure there are so many people working on visual technology that the number of innovations in that field is actually quite big, but just looking at gaming in general, it feels like it was more innovative in the past. __________________ Something Completely Different*

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