The end of musical innovation

Guybrush · 05-19-2021, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Maybe watch the video before you reject it in favour of a study with flawed methodology.

There's more innovation right now because there's more music being released right now than at any point in history. There's also more generic music being released than ever before, but pointing to that doesn't "disprove" innovation unless you approach art like an accountant.

I'll check it out, but as far as the study is concerned and your comment.. The study is about pop music. It's about what's on charts, not all the music being released today.

It's not about the weird sounds your uncle makes in his basement.

**Frownland** · 05-19-2021, 05:19 AM

And that's an extremy limited perspective that ignores shifts in the music world.

Guybrush · 05-19-2021, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

And that's an extremy limited perspective that ignores shifts in the music world.

Yes, but it does say something about the shape of the music which we are generally exposed to when we don't actively choose ourselves what we listen to.

**Frownland** · 05-19-2021, 05:42 AM

Sure, casual listeners aren't as edgy as when the Doobie Brothers were at the ready for em. Luckily, charting music no longer dominates what's available and can be circumvented pretty quickly for anyone interested enough to look.

Guybrush · 05-19-2021, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Sure, casual listeners aren't as edgy as when the Doobie Brothers were at the ready for em. Luckily, charting music no longer dominates what's available and can be circumvented pretty quickly for anyone interested enough to look.

I agree with this.

As a side note, the music that I find most innovative is often decades old. I readily admit it's because I'm becoming and old man who's always had the music tastes of an even older man.

Ignoring technicalities, music that sounds the most innovative to me is often music that sounds different in its time, like it may follow its own sense of aesthetics that sets it apart. It might seem like a new way of thinking which may make it hard to identify a likely influence. The influence might be there, of course, just that I don't know it and so it seems new to me.

To me, Hatfield and the North is a good example of such a band. Their debut seems clasically inspired, a touch of jazz, boys choir choral music (at least to me), but I can't pick out a single definite influence.

This is another example:

Guybrush · 05-19-2021, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

You look at the charts for that period and it's still about as boring as you'd expect

This is just my opinion, but it's not that bad. Here the american charts (Billboard magazine) from 1976:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billbo...ingles_of_1976

Of course later on, some of those New York bands would reach the mainstream and become part of popular music.

**Frownland** · 05-19-2021, 08:21 AM

>Not that bad
>Wings #1

Hmm idunno about that.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

hello Bjork

nah but this this sounds pretty good

*Kate Bush btw get your reductionist art pop goddesses right

Some more innovative new stuff

adidasss · 05-19-2021, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

music just like any art has explosions of creativity within small communities of artists brought up in just the right conditions

something like 70s New York is a freak phenomenon...that only a small community was even interested in

you look at the charts for that period and it's still about as boring as you'd expect

Yah but look at what happened from the late 50s to early 70s. We went from Elvis Presley to Bob Dylan to The Beatles to Led Zepelling to David Bowie to Pink Floyd. In about 15 years. Talking just chart toppers. I mean. We're really saying something like that is still happening?

SnakeSpiritDude · 05-19-2021, 10:36 AM

Things have to evolve so it doesn't do so good to try to replicate art from the past imo. I'm assuming this conversation is talking more about guitar driven music, anyways.

**Frownland** · 05-19-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Yah but look at what happened from the late 50s to early 70s. We went from Elvis Presley to Bob Dylan to The Beatles to Led Zepelling to David Bowie to Pink Floyd. In about 15 years. Talking just chart toppers. I mean. We're really saying something like that is still happening?

From rock to rock to rock to rock and all the way on to rock? In only fifteen years? Incredible.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Sure, casual listeners aren't as edgy as when the Doobie Brothers were at the ready for em. Luckily, charting music no longer dominates what's available and can be circumvented pretty quickly for anyone interested enough to look. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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