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06-13-2020, 04:13 AM | #11 (permalink) | ||
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Hey, the Shaggs are amazing. Did you know that their origin story starts with a family legend involving a fortune teller?
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06-13-2020, 09:07 AM | #12 (permalink) |
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Yes, I did. Following something like that to a tee, gave us some hauntingly great music,
but, unfortunately, created some emotionally scarred children. It’s said that when the old house they lived and recorded in was set ablaze, the ghost of their old man, Austin, could be seen in the window. |
06-13-2020, 10:26 AM | #13 (permalink) | ||
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Oh wow. Stories like these are like real life fairy tales, of the dark-ish kind
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06-13-2020, 01:26 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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Yesterday? Really? Not sure if this really happened or Beatle reference. Frank Zappa said they were one of the top three bands better than the Beatles.
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06-13-2020, 01:45 PM | #15 (permalink) | |
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Zappa was a fan tho. The album was in the top five favorites of Kurt Cobain with some other artists completely spellbound by it. (Carla Bley, for instance). |
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06-13-2020, 06:31 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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It’s so crazy the way the guitar and the vocals mimic each other
She must have had a tremendous ear It really is one of the most unique musical universes ever created
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06-13-2020, 07:18 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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Yes, I had just first heard of them "yesterday."
And I'm sorry, but they're a classic case of some people with no talent making some random noises on some musical instruments and then some other people coming along and saying "Wow that's brilliant!" If either those kids or their father had some extensive musical training or at least some notable prior musical experience maybe one could say they were being extremely clever, because at least it would be clear they knew what they were doing. I mean, at least Merzbow was an actual musician for some time before delving into "noise music." But since neither the kids nor their father had any prior musical experience and had little musical training they were clearly just amateurs making some noise (badly, too), and didn't know what they were doing. The fact that the two surviving women are befuddled at their cult status goes to show that, yes, they were really just a bunch of amateurs making some bad noise.
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06-13-2020, 07:22 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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Yeah, the free floating aspects (and cRaZy syllable emphasis, rhyme, etc.) of the lyrics with Helen's sometimes-rhythm paired with no intentional harmonies and two-singer+guitar unison melodics is really the only key sound aspect that you can say had a really unintentional uniqueness.
There was NO "tremendous ear" here at all. They had absolutely zero interest in music (including listening) and weren't even allowed to go out to dances or parties because of their strict disciplinarian father who demanded that they rehearse every day in the basement. They had a immense hatred for this duty that they had to perform each and every day for something like 7 years. They were even forced to do physical exercises so, as their father said, they would be ready for touring when the time came. Sometimes, when Austin was at work, they'd all go to the lake and come back just before he came home and head downstairs as if they'd been practising all day. After 5 years of all of that, dad said that they were ready to record an album. Even then, he had rules and regulations about what to do and not do. You thought Beefheart was a taskmaster? Holy shit! In the end, the father finally died in '75 after 7 years of The Shaggs and there was a collective sigh of relief from the family and it all just ended. To the above statement, I'll just say that if you are the kind of person who ties technique to greatness (or even "goodness"), then it's understandable why you would be befuddled by people who don't necessarily make that connection when listening to music. |
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06-13-2020, 08:39 PM | #20 (permalink) |
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Yes, I agree that there are “non-artists” making good art, but what is the “talent” you’re talking about that they have, but don’t know? A “tremendous ear” implies a personal intuitive connection that they used to mold their personal sound which, they’ve clearly said (and their stories attest to), they didn’t do. Working an assembly line job for 7 years with the boss over your shoulder doesn’t mean that you have an inherent dexterous ability to assemble stuff.
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