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04-29-2020, 09:05 AM | #1 (permalink) |
killedmyraindog
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Songwriters you respect, even if you don't like the music
I'm trapped at home, and I'm once again attempting to learn guitar. Someday I'll get these chord transitions down, but in the meantime, I'm learning songs that have some personality on limited chords. That's leading me to play a lot of songs where I wouldn't listen to the music, even if I really like the songcraft.
This morning that lead me to the Goo Goo Dolls (admittedly, after seeing a meme). I haven't heard anything by them since 1998's Dizzy Up the Girl (which in 2020 sounds a bit rapey, tbh) and at the time I was about 15. As you can imagine, I wasn't a fan. I had tons of Nu-metal to listen to. But at this point, I can look back and say in terms of pop-acoustic hooks, they had some great songwriting. Like many of the failed pop-punk bands that went full pop, if they'd faded into the background and John Rzeznik just wrote for other people (he might have, I don't know) he'd probably be better off. So who is a songwriter you respect but likely wouldn't buy an album from? |
04-29-2020, 09:28 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I respect all artists in the sense that I give them the benefit of the doubt that what they're releasing is their true artistic vision, but in the same fold, I withhold respect until the music is good enough to deserve it and don't give points for ambition, virtuosity, or other markers of "talent" when it's not put to good use.
That said, while I wouldn't say that this applies to Kanye on the whole since the Yeezus though Nasir run was awesome, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is a great example of this. It's very well done, meticulous, innovative, and its influence is undeniable, but it also ****ing sucks.
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04-29-2020, 10:10 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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I could never get past the extreme theory approach to Alan Holdsworth's stuff. I've learned a few of his licks in the past, but I don't plan on buying or listening to any more of it. Things always change for me though, so who knows.
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04-29-2020, 10:15 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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Why are great guitarists like him so consistently horrible at songwriting? He was awesome on Bundles and blended well with Soft Machine's style, but that's about the extent that I appreciate him.
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04-29-2020, 10:33 AM | #6 (permalink) |
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I respect anyone who can make a living making art. Hell, I respect anyone who has ever earned a dime doing it. Most people who try to be artists can’t even give it away for free.
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04-30-2020, 09:14 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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No doubt
But if they’re good I respect them for it not for their popularity As for plan b’s they probably weren’t going to work out either
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Elton John probably.
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05-01-2020, 06:14 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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I was never much of a fan of Bob Dylan's stuff, mostly because I found the way he sang to be annoying. But anytime somebody did a cover of it I tended to like it, so that gave me some respect for him.
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