windsock is a fascist (PROOF)

windsock · 12-05-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't see either of those bands as particularly good comparisons re NMN + ST

Ehh all three of them are eclectic, post-punk-tinged post hardcore bands who appeared around the same time and often toured in the same circuits. That's why I find them comparable. Still not saying Minutemen are bad I just find ST and NMN's style to gel with me more.

On a different note, one of my favorite live videos is one that features ST, Minutemen, Husker Du and Meat Puppets all playing at the same gig.

philae · 12-05-2018, 11:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU95hrkSDew

windsock · 12-05-2018, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

New Wave is a super vague genre consisting of primarily... punk bands

maybe it's Hardcore Punk you think is pretentious?

Not really a fan of new wave either for that very reason. And yeah I do find hardcore punk to be one of the worst branches of the genre, generally speaking. I enjoy some of the more krautrocky post-punk that's out there like Chrisma but even then there's not a lot of winners.

Unitron · 12-06-2018, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by windsock

I sort of like Sadus' work but good lord is this dull beyond belief. The drumming and the vocals especially seem half-assed both from a performance and production standpoint. The one thing I do appreciate here is the production on the bass, even though it's really contrived and used on so many other metal recordings. I like that I can hear it at least.

Yeah, I didn't know what you'd think of that particular song. I think you would like Out for Blood better, but all the videos of the individual songs had awful sound quality. It has a better and more punchy production.

Here's the full album though:

windsock · 12-06-2018, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

well you sound confused about first wave punk ergo, you might not yet know what you like

hardcore punk produces quite a few winners but also has the worst mentality and fanbase insofar as you'll ever run into a hardcore purist

I know quite a bit of krautrocky punk groups as I went through a phase where that's all I'd listen to

I'd consider "first wave punk" to be those that arrived around '77, i.e. Sex Pistols, the Ramones, The Clash, etc., none of which I like. Especially not the Sex Pistols. They can eat a dick. But I'm still very open to your suggestion and the likelihood of me finding punk bands to enjoy isn't impossible.

****ing hardcore punk though man. I don't think I can name a single just-HC punk band that I legit enjoy. I will put out there that I enjoy the more experimental post-hardcore bands like Fugazi and Big Black (who have a lot in common with noise rock which I also generally like), but never bands like Minor Threat.

The krautrocky new wave/punk groups I've found appealing mainly cause I like 60's/early-70's krautrock. Maybe it's just a familiarity thing.

windsock · 12-06-2018, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Absolutely love it. I got nothing bad to say on this one.

windsock · 12-06-2018, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

D. Boon's admiration for Wire and razor thin guitar tone put them much more in line with post punk groups than ever with the contemporary post hardcore bands or any of the post hardcore that followed really

especially in the LA hardcore scene they were like aliens by all accounts

Definitely DNOTD is way more post-punk, but I've always thought of What Causes a Man to Start Fires? and Surviving You Always as having a lot in common sound-wise. Minutemen's early stuff is generally harder than their later even with their more airy guitar tones.