Nathanblake719 babbles about bands he doesn't like

OccultHawk · 05-15-2018, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Time to rewatch Rock 'n Roll High School.

Church

**Frownland** · 05-15-2018, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you wouldn't call The Beatles "pop rock"

you would call them pop

or you would call them rock

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Originally Posted by elphenor

lol

I can't

maybe some people do say this but it's ****ing stupid

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Originally Posted by elphenor

if you google "pop rock" you will find a list of literally every rock band that has ever been popular

because it's a meaningless term

Why are you invoking meaningless terms to support your stance?

**Janszoon** · 05-15-2018, 08:48 AM

All I know is this conversation makes me want to listen to the Ramones.

OccultHawk · 05-15-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

proto-punk only makes sense out of the model that puts Ramones at ground zero punk

surf rock is in the DNA of classic punk

makes more sense to label them a major influence and stop there

I think you’re using different language to say the exact same thing.

Black Francis · 05-15-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I agree with elph in spirit, especially in the sense that it’s absolute blasphemy to associate The Ramones with the pop punk music that came afterward. My gut reaction is very much the same.

Same here, i get why elph wants to separate them from pop punk groups like Green day and Blink but Janz made a good point too cause i used to listen to Green Day and just thought they were punk. I can understand why some ppl would put them in that category but if were to tell somebody about The Ramones i would just say it's punk.

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Genre terms aren't perfect. They're just supposed to help with categorization.

I agree with this too. I don't get too hung up on labelling bands, for exmpl like i said, I would call The Ramones punk but if someone wants to put them in the pop punk category at least make the distinction of what their place is in that category cause when you place them in the same genre as Blink 182 you absolutely have to make that distinction.

Black Francis · 05-15-2018, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathanblake719

Hey The Sane Psycho, that's great that you love pop punk. I certainly don't. And it's good that you mentioned it because you brought up some more very overrated bands. The Ramones and Black Flag are two of the most overrated bands of all time. The Ramones are considered punk rock legends, their t-shirts are worn by people who aren't even punk rock fans. The band is featured in the soundtracks for both Pet Cemetery movies. Their most famous songs are the songs Blitzkreig Bop and Rock N Roll High School, songs which I don't think are anything special but think they must be very influential to be talked about as much as they are. Black Flag are considered underground punk rock legends. They are talked about allot by musicians even though they've never done one decent tune in their entire lives. Henry Rollins is not even a singer but for some reason decided to be the vocalist. Henry Rollins has gone on to be a music commentator and television personality as well as an Actor and motivational speaker. I think he's better at those things than at being a crappy singer.People talk about how good Black Flag are but can't even mention one song that's even worth listening to. They must enjoy the experience of the band rather than the actual musical compositions that the band creates which are pieces of crap. Henry Rollins makes up for his lack of musical talent by just behaving like an absolute hyperactive, antisocial nutcase and thinks that it makes him some sort of cool person.

Don't do that Nick. Don't oversimplify and define bands by their hits on pop culture. Im not an expert on either Black Flag or The Ramones but i don't pretend i am. What i do know is i heard enough good songs from them and know enough about the history of punk to understand why they earned the status they have. This stance you took that you got it all figured out by just scratching the surface is No Bueno.

And about Henry Rollins. Henry imo is a bit of a pretentious edge lord at times and a realist at other times so i can relate to some of his opinions but he's certainly not an all knowing punk sage whose words should be revered as gospel. His music is good tho, The Henry Rollins band got some good jams and as the frontman for Black Flag he was pretty badass.

Here's a Black Flag song worth listening to:

And here's some clips of Henry Rollins making sense:

grindy · 05-15-2018, 02:50 PM

I wouldn't have a problem with Nathan's opinions (although I do disagree with some), if he had any idea about music outside of boring, mainstream, basic bitch crap.
Seriously, instead of ranting, shut up, open your ears and follow the lead of some of the incredibly knowledgeable guys here on the forum.

OccultHawk · 05-15-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I wouldn't have a problem with Nathan's opinions (although I do disagree with some), if he had any idea about music outside of boring, mainstream, basic bitch crap.
Seriously, instead of ranting, shut up, open your ears and follow the lead of some of the incredibly knowledgeable guys here on the forum.

Yeah

I don’t like to engage people who aren’t ready to learn.

~~MicShazam~~ · 05-15-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I wouldn't have a problem with Nathan's opinions (although I do disagree with some), if he had any idea about music outside of boring, mainstream, basic bitch crap.

Give the guy a chance and that might change. I didn't start really pulling my head out of my ass until about 10 years ago. Up until then, my musical world consisted of Metallica and other big metal acts, No Doubt, Kylie Minogue, Queen, Nirvana and the Offspring. Largely, anyway.

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Seriously, instead of ranting, shut up, open your ears and follow the lead of some of the incredibly knowledgeable guys here on the forum.

And my lead as well, maybe.

Blank. · 05-15-2018, 03:00 PM

Bjork. Seriously the definition of awful.

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