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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2186098)

That's their identity schtick, I'd think that would help Floyd's rep.

Because new boomer listeners are latching on to them?

Nah not new boomers, new old time boomer rock listeners.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2186101)

Nah not new boomers, new old time boomer rock listeners.

I would suspect influx of new fans might be offset by old fans getting old and dying :laughing: but maybe not. It could be increasing.

In my own experience, I feel like they're a lot less talked about now than they were in the 90s. But that's just Norway, of course.

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2186088)

I believe PF are considered more boring in 2021 than in 1980, despite the open hostility towards prog at the time. Not necessarily to people like me who were weaned on them and will forever love them, but to potential new listeners. And people do dismiss without engaging with the music all the time.

As a person becoming interested in music, you'll probably hear the name Pink Floyd still. But what is there to tempt them to put a record on? There's something, of course, it's one of the biggest rock bands to ever exist and also one of the most successful. But from another perspective it might also obviously be old time boomer rock. I may be presumptuous, but I'm just guessing that, as old artists compete with new artists on streaming services, there's gonna be a trend of slowly dwindling popularity for bands like PF where people instead wanna listen to the latest Taylor Quick or some other artist who is current, trendy and more available in various forms of media. I think people like things they can relate to and the older something becomes, the less relatable it's gonna be off-hand. The band predates any real subculture that a new listener might derive some sense of identity from, so that kind of sub-cultural access to listeners is also going to dwindle over time. Some of the intricate potential reasons for dismissal, while complex, may be summed up as boring.

And you can also get into the shape of music. It's a long time since long ass prog songs were commercially viable. A lot of young people grew up with music that was louder, perhaps more aggressive, more extreme in the things they convey or focusing more on relatable experiences, most likely more immediate. Their tastes may be shaped by that and something like Echoes might seem comparatively more boring when compared to the output of more current artists.

Those are some good points, guybrush, but haven't you missed something simpler? That they used to be innovative, but now they're not?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2186102)

Pink Floyd doesn't have an identity because they were quite boring people outside Syd

That's part of the story. They also made a deliberate choice: they didn't want to be pin-up rock idols. It was all about the AOR music experience - which is incidently why I find their live stuff pretty disappointing.

'Welcome To The Machine' is such a cool song that I can forgive their occasional snoozefest.

@OP

Shut up

You are wrong about pink Floyd.

More like Stink Turd.

Uh I personally really like Pink Floyd, but this is the first time I see people straight up dislike them. And I wonder why, I mean some vague reasons were given, but maybe some more details? I Think "more" is trash, but The Dark Side of the Moon is good, and there is a reason why it got popular. But most of all, you cannot deny that "The Wall" is a masterpiece. I've spent the last 3 months reading and learning about it, and there are still things that I find new in it. And if something like "The Wall" is trash, then "Abbey Road" (for example) most be trash too. I personally think it is great, but I do not think the message or idea is deeper or more interesting than the wall. So yeah I am just confused on why people don't like pink floyd.

Cause they're ****ing boring and I can feel my eyeballs drying while listening to them so I blink more than I need to. Ain't nobody got time for dat!

I consider The Wall somewhat underrated. I think it has a reputation for being this prolonged Roger Waters masturbation session, but as far as concept albums go, it's a real achievement. It's got great music, awesome visuals, touches on very human emotions/subjects on a level that few albums do and.. I love how bleak it is. I'm a sucker for occasional feelbad.

It was one of my first rock albums (besides "golden oldies") and we also had a VHS of the live concert when I was a kid, though that may have been a bootleg. Later on in my teens, I also enjoyed (?) the movie with Geldoff.

I actually haven't checked out Roger Waters The Wall, but I've almost bought it a couple of times now. From what I gather, the latest is good stuff.

Have you heard Radio KAOS and Amused to Death? Two excellent solo albums by him. I'd also recommend In the Flesh, his two-disc live effort. Wonderful stuff.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2186717)

Have you heard Radio KAOS and Amused to Death? Two excellent solo albums by him. I'd also recommend In the Flesh, his two-disc live effort. Wonderful stuff.

I don't know the others, but "times two" on Amused To Death: some great tracks, helped along by Jeff Beck on guitar, and R Waters does something that is not easy: makes a sociological point without ruining the songs.

I also think The Wall is full of excellent songs; put together, they tell a story, but each is a perfectly good song in its own right. I did find the whole Trial section to be a trial though. (Geddit?)

But Batlord also has a point:-

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2186613)

Cause they're ****ing boring and I can feel my eyeballs drying while listening to them so I blink more than I need to. Ain't nobody got time for dat!

You know when you're doing something and you think "Listening to a bit of music would make this more agreeable?". I remember thinking that on one occasion, then realizing, "Oh, I'm already listening to Pink Floyd!" Something like Echoes was going straight through my brain, leaving zero impact.

They should've broken up after their 1977 tour and left Roger Waters to release 'The Wall' as a solo project.

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2186738)

They should've broken up after their 1977 tour and left Roger Waters in a ditch.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2186736)

I did find the whole Trial section to be a trial though. (Geddit?)

Uncompromising in its vision :D it's ugly when things get ugly

About them being boring, I did give Endless River a listen-through, but yeah.. that passed through my brain like, uh, common sense goes through Batlord. Without sticking to anything.

Hey if you want feel bad music that's what country is for.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2186790)

Hey if you want feel bad music that's what country is for.

Sure, I like me some feelbad country.

What sucks?

The Wall

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2186790)

Hey if you want feel bad music that's what country is for.

Country music is good

Oh I thought you said "if you wanted bad music"

Hell no. Sometimes I'll throw this on on repeat cause it makes me weep like a bitch every single time and sometimes I just need my heart to ache with physical pain.

How can anyone not love this?

You know, it is possible to like country AND other things like Pink Floyd. They're not dire enemies.

Exactly. Clue yourself in and read my journal on country music (plug, plug) :D

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2188001)

You know, it is possible to like country AND other things like Pink Floyd. They're not dire enemies.

No I am.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2188027)

No I am.

You know, David Gilmour plays a mean pedal steel guitar. An example could be his outro solo at the end of High Hopes off Division Bell.

Another good showcase for his lapsteel skillz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI4-r8Vx8qM