How can you be so arrogant as to say Floyd should have split when Waters left? He may have thought he was, but he wasn't Floyd, and while the general consensus of opinion seems to be that the post-Waters albums were terrible, I personally love them. Why should someone end their career in a band just because one member - founder member admittedly, but still only one man - leaves? Do you think Sabbath should have disbanded with the departure of Ozzy? Yes after Wakeman left? Genesis after Gabriel??

Pink Floyd should have broken up on reentry.

Why? I didn't say it was bad. I said it was boring for me. It's my opinion. If one day I get to like The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, I'll say it, but, at the moment, I don't. I didn't like Led Zeppelin much, now I love them. I love The Beatles, but I don't get Sgt. Pepper's Lobely Hearts Club Band. I accept it, and that's it.
I don't think I'm being disrespectful with anyone, I was just saying my opinion, and I can't think of any reasons that could make me have less rights to do so than the rest of the people, specially when many of them are hating on Pink Floyd here.

No and I don't think I've been arrogant. In fact, I hate Waters' personality, I think it was very wrong to demand his bandmates for continuing to use the name of Pink Floyd. Gilmour decided to continue to piss off Waters, it's obvius. If Gilmour had been the one who left instead of Waters, they should've also disbanded.
They did some acceptable things without Roger Waters, but I, personally don't like that albums. I'd even say they were more interested in fighting against Waters or answering to his insluts than really focusing into music. And I think The Endless River was a kind of joke.
I don't know if Black Sabbath should've disbanded when Ozzy left, because I don't listen to them very much, and if I do, I only listen to the "Ozzy era".
As for Yes, I think they were better with Rick Wakeman.
And Genesis? They continued cause they had a man with ideas, who was Phil Collins. The band changed their style, but were still great.
I don't think Gilmour decided to continue because he had interesting projects in mind, I'd even say he used the name of the band to promote himself. Same for Wright and Mason. It's just my opinion and I'm not pretending to be arrogant, if you like A Momentary Lapse Of Reason or The Division Bell, good, but I don't, and I've listened to them many times. Have a good day.

You're right, that's ridiculous, they should have split up back when Syd left ;)

Boom goes the dynamite!

Was that a positive or a negative answer to my coment? I don't understand what "boom goes the dynamite!" mean.

Positive

You tore him up!

He’s used to it though

What do you think of Abacab?

I have that vinyl at home and I remember listening to it once, but I couldn't really tell you my opinion about it.
(And I'm not an album expert!)

But I think We Can't Dance is a very good one by Genesis when they were led by Collins.

Invisible Touch (the album) isn't bad either.

I agree - Syd was a real artist and better than all the other Floyd guys put together ;).

Come on, what I wanted to say is that they continued to piss Waters off, not because they were excited about the idea of continuing a succesful career. (And I don't like Syd Barrett very much)

Sorry, maybe it's that English is not your first language, but a comment like the bolded one can only be seen as arrogant.

Why would you characterise their behaviour thus? What basis is there to accuse them of such things? Two of the three remaining members were founders, so why should they not have carried on? It was that comment that sparked my response; I don't get why you think that. These men certainly had their money made, but musicians don't just play for money alone. They had spent decades building up the Pink Floyd name and sound, and creating a fanbase. Why should they have jacked it all in just because they could no longer work with Roger Waters?

I accept that you, and most people, hate The Division Bell and A Momentary Lapse of Reason, but I don't, and you can see there were some very good ideas on both albums. It's not like they continued on just to spite Waters. Also, I'm not a Waters-hater, in case you think that: I possess and enjoyed most of his solo output, and see no reason why you have to be in one camp or the other.

I do agree though that The Endless River was nothing more than a shoddy, shameful money-making scam (see my extensive review of same in my journal) and a terrible kick in the teeth to the loyal fans.

Hi, Eleanor – My apologies! My post was not meant to be a response to what you wrote. I only intended to express support of Syd Barrett as an artist. In fact, before reading your post I had no knowledge of the personal dynamics between Waters and Gilmour – and never knew that Waters demanded that the band discontinue using the Pink Floyd name. So I learned something from your post – thanks! (And I understand Syd Barrett is not everyone’s cup of tea. :))

P.S.: Welcome to Musicbanter! I'm enjoying reading your opinions.

Thank you!

Nice to have you here! :beer:

OK, first of all I think there's no need to call me an arrogant to discuss this.
Maybe I've not explained very well the bolded sentence.
They were all behaving like selfish 3 year old kids. Not because one of them wanted to leave and the other founding members wanted to continue. Did you know that they got in a huge fight because of a freakin' flying pig? Waters demanded Pink Floyd for using the flying pig in their concerts, as it had been his idea. They could've very well given up, they could still perform well without a pig. But instead they chose to add...certain masculine organs to the pig, so Waters couldn't win the trial. They started insulting each other on TV after that. Isn't that behaving like a selfish 3 year old? Or what about when Waters payed an artist to paint Gilmour's face on his toilet paper? Or Gilmour calling Waters a poor imbecile in the middle of an interview? Look, I love of all them, because, believe it or not, I love Pink Floyd really much, and I'm not on Gilmour's or Waters' side. What I'm saying is that after Waters left, all four of them were just focused on harming each other (specially Gilmour and Waters). And as a Pink Floyd fan, I felt ashamed when I read about two of my favourite musicians getting into childish fights, so I would've prefered they had just got separated when Waters left, and then maybe the 4 of them could have joined and done something more interesting than a 24 minute reunion full of tension between them. Waters needed Pink Floyd as much as Pink Floyd needed him...Same thing can be said about Gilmour.
You say that musicians don't just play for money alone, it's true. Gilmour continued because he hated to be under the shadow of Waters (don't know if you say it like that in English). And he saw an opportunity in Roger's departure to use Pink Floyd's name and have a succesful career without depending on Waters. High Hopes is a good song and Learning To Fly could've perfectly fit into a movie soundtrack...But do you think he's going to be remembered because of these songs, or his Comfortably Numb solo?
Anyway, no one's trying to be arrogant here, I know that you don't agree with me, the same way I don't agree with you, but it's OK, no one's trying to be superior than the other one.
Let me know if my English was good enough to make this text understandable.

Thanks!

Imo The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking is right up their with The Wall and The Final Cut. Post-Waters Pink Floyd is worse than anything Waters did solo except that opera which was a complete embarrassment.

Clapton plays on that album. I don't know if it's good but I'll have to listen to that album and Amused To Death, soon. Even if they were good, they didn't reach the success The Dark Side Of The Moon or The Wall had. There were much more people going to watch post-Waters floyd live than Waters solo. Gilmour took advantage of that, that's what I was saying.

lmao
https://i.imgur.com/8joFqGM.png

Help, I've read and seen too many unknown internet expressions and images in a day.

I agree with you about 95%. Totally that both Waters and Gilmour didn’t appreciate the rest of the band. It’s astonishing how little they both respected Richard Wright. The Ramones were the same way. They didn’t understand their own band. Musicians are idiots when it comes to appreciating others and not being narcissists.

Yes, Waters fired Wright while recording The Wall, Gilmour didn't respect him that much, either.

Which amazes me because he created so much of the signature Pink Floyd sound

Yeah, I've heard that Johnny and Joey stopped talking to each other because one married the girlfriend of the other one, or something like that.

He composed the music of Us and Them, for example.

It wasn’t only that though. Including Dee Dee too there are lots of interviews where it’s very clear they didn’t understand why the others were essential to the sound.

Yes, I guess being in a band turns into something unpleasant sooner or later. I've only been in two bands, but I know something for sure...Guitarists have a huge enormous ego.

At 14 you’ve already been in two bands? Far out!

Hahaha, in the first one the guitarist punched the drummer in the face in a discussion about Beethoven and in the second one the bassist fell in love with the singer's girlfriend. (I play keyboards). Let's see if I can join a band which lasts more than two months. So I don't know if I'd really like to be in a band again.

dude that's wild
You'll get used to it, don't worry. These aren't just normal internet images either; this is one of Marie's DIY memes™, brought to you by MS paint

OK, but what did it mean?

Probably just means the workday is over in the UK and Marie is firing up the puff puff.

Oh, OK

It's just a visual impression of Trollheart deciding to get into a discussion about Pink Floyd with you, but not in a serious way (he wouldn't transform into a centaur-like creature and attack you with a spear, he's a great guy ;))

excuse me, firing up the what?

Oh, very well, I've never understood memes lol

:laughing:

x2

I don't need any weed to feel like sh*tposting memes though, Hawk

Sorry that may have been a little harsh. Didn't mean to come across as combative, despite Marie's clever illustration. ;) I know a little of the frictions between the band, both before, during and after, but I still see no reason why they should have broken up and while they may have been childish at times (who isn't?) I don't see it as selfish. Anyway, I for one think the world is better for the existence of those two albums (not so much TER but anyway) so I'm glad they continued on.

Truce announced?

Welcome to MB: I'm the one who gets fired up about things most people just let go. I'm Irish, what can I tell ya?

I really don't rate TPACOHH though I love Radio KAOS and Amused to Death. I've had my say about post-Waters Floyd and you obviously don't agree so I won't argue with you. I agree about Ca Ira though - Jesus Christ with a Trump flag breaching the Capitol! :yikes:
Hey! I told you that in confidence! :(

I guess I'll have to get used to this.

Smartest thing you’ve said all week, son

No problem!! It's interesting, first time I get in a "fight" about music!