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grindy 04-23-2018 11:50 PM

Early Pink Floyd had nice longer jams but those little psychedelic songs suck.
Meddle era early 70s Floyd are probably my favourite, especially live.
Dark Side Of The Moon has some good ones but its overall way too polished and boring.
The albums after that suffer from the same problem.
**** late PF, obviously.

grindy 04-23-2018 11:56 PM

If I want whimsical I listen to David Thomas.
**** that stupid hippie ****.

grindy 04-24-2018 12:02 AM

Have you listened to his early solo albums? Whimsical af.

MicShazam 04-24-2018 12:26 AM

I never really listened to Pink Floyd beyond a few of their most known songs. What little I have heard, I like very, very little. Not sure what the hype was ever all about. I'm legit surprised OH and Frown likes them. I thought they'd be in here pronouncing the band pleb rock for pretentious teenage boys.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1943666)
I never really listened to Pink Floyd beyond a few of their most known songs. What little I have heard, I like very, very little. Not sure what the hype was ever all about. I'm legit surprised OH and Frown likes them. I thought they'd be in here pronouncing the band pleb rock for pretentious teenage boys.

I never loved music that wasn’t great. I stand by my taste at any age.

You know why pretentious teenagers love Pink Floyd? Because Pink Floyd are ****ing brilliant. It’s pretentious 50 year olds who are ****ing lost.

Janszoon 04-24-2018 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1943666)
I never really listened to Pink Floyd beyond a few of their most known songs. What little I have heard, I like very, very little. Not sure what the hype was ever all about. I'm legit surprised OH and Frown likes them. I thought they'd be in here pronouncing the band pleb rock for pretentious teenage boys.

They're not a vocals-centric band, and I know that's kind of your thing, so I can see why you might not like them. That said, they had a pretty eclectic style and their sound evolved a lot over the years so if you haven't heard much it's worth giving them more of a listen.

John Connor 04-24-2018 08:02 AM

I am not crazy about them,either.Sure they have a couple nice songs but i think Pink Floyd is overrated.

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 10:30 AM

What would the musical landscape be like today if Pink Floyd had never existed? They basically created a whole new genre back in the late 60s and early 70s. Judging artists in hindsight is pretty wonky. Yes, you either like them or you don't. But to call Pink Floyd overrated is simply idiotic.

Bands like Floyd, Sabbath, Zeppelin, the MC5, and the Beatles, laid the very foundation of a lot of the music that we listen to today.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 10:34 AM

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They basically created a whole new genre
What’s this genre called?

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 10:37 AM

Progressive/Psychedelic Rock. Each existed in their own right but Floyd were the band that melded them together in a rock fashion.

Frownland 04-24-2018 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1943706)
Yes, you either like them or you don't. But to call Pink Floyd overrated.

Overrated is not the same as being unoriginal.

Overrated is not the same as being uninfluential.

Overrated is not the same as saying that I'm not a fan.

Overrated is not the same as being bad.

Overrated is simply based on how their common rating and status compares to what they've contributed to the music community. Dumbass parrots of music fans overstate Floyd's significance and innovation despite it being based on genuine significance and innovation. Get that through your ****ing head.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1943708)
Progressive/Psychedelic Rock. Each existed in their own right but Floyd were the band that melded them together in a rock fashion.

I agree.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943709)
Overrated is not the same as being unoriginal.

Overrated is not the same as being uninfluential.

Overrated is not the same as saying that I'm not a fan.

Overrated is not the same as being bad.

Overrated is simply based on how their common rating and status compares to what they've contributed to the music community. Dumbass parrots of music fans overstate Floyd's significance and innovation despite it being based on genuine significance and innovation. Get that through your ****ing head.

The amount of space for music in humanity’s collective consciousness is limited. We know what Cecil Taylor contributed to music as an art form. We also witnessed the lack of media coverage of his death. Cecil Taylor’s music, from an artistic perspective, is far more important than Pink Floyd’s but Pink Floyd takes up a much larger piece of humanity’s collective vocalized music appreciation pie. Pink Floyd gets way too much of that pie. That’s a long winded way of saying Pink Floyd is, in fact, very overrated.

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 11:13 AM

To call Pink Floyd overrated is idiotic.

Get that through your ****ing head.

Frownland 04-24-2018 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1943712)
To call Pink Floyd overrated is idiotic.

Get that through your ****ing head.

What's more idiotic:

Acknowledging that one of the top 5 (estimate) most popular artists in the history of recorded music gets a little bit too much slobber on their dicks

or

Thinking that something can't be overrated because you like it

Hint: it's the second one.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 11:46 AM

Chula,

Does David Gilmour deserve to be 1000 times more famous than Allan Holdsworth?

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1943716)
Chula,

Does David Gilmour deserve to be 1000 times more famous than Allan Holdsworth?

More popular? Yes. What's the old joke? Would you rather play 10 notes to 1,000 people or 1,000 notes to 10 people?

Got to see Allan twice in small venues when I was back east. Rooms were packed both times. 98% male guitarists.

Jaw dropping even more in person. Also have seen Steve Morse, Al Dimeola, and John McLaughlin. Again, jaw bruises each time.

Frownland 04-24-2018 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1943716)
Chula,

Does David Gilmour deserve to be 1000 times more famous than Allan Holdsworth?

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1943719)
Yes.

Incredible.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943721)
Incredible.

What is must be and what must be must be right.

MicShazam 04-24-2018 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1943670)
I never loved music that wasn’t great. I stand by my taste at any age.

You know why pretentious teenagers love Pink Floyd? Because Pink Floyd are ****ing brilliant. It’s pretentious 50 year olds who are ****ing lost.

I only stand by what I like in this very moment. Past iterations of me has always been on all sorts of embarassing musical misadventures.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1943686)
They're not a vocals-centric band, and I know that's kind of your thing, so I can see why you might not like them. That said, they had a pretty eclectic style and their sound evolved a lot over the years so if you haven't heard much it's worth giving them more of a listen.

I'd say I like a good amount of bands that are pretty musically oriented, but I want both the vocals and the music to feel fleshed out, generally. I like some purely instrumental music too, but yeah, I guess it's fair to say that I'm fairly vocally oriented. The way I would put it is that I'd rather have no vocalist than half assed vocals.

Frownland 04-24-2018 12:40 PM

Would you say that "half-assed vocals" applies to Floyd?

MicShazam 04-24-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943731)
Would you say that "half-assed vocals" applies to Floyd?

I'm listening to "The Wall" right now to try and find out what I even feel about Pink Floyd. I haven't heard that much, really. If there's another album I should be hearing instead, feel free to show me the way.

My first instinct is to say that I don't exactly find the vocals riveting, but I might end up somewhat disagreeing with myself there.

Frownland 04-24-2018 12:43 PM

The Wall's a good one but a bit drawn out for learning about the band. If you had to pick one record for an idea of their sound, it would be Dark Side of the Moon.

MicShazam 04-24-2018 12:45 PM

Allright, I was only a couple songs in so I've swithced to Dark Side of the Moon now.

Frownland 04-24-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1943740)
I always really liked Roger Waters voice though, not his singing, I just don't ever care about singing too much, the tone of his voice and the personality you get from it

That is singing you dork.

Frownland 04-24-2018 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1943743)
you know what I mean though cmon

maybe you don't

I know that you mean the style and emotion in his singing as opposed to his melodic virtuosity. That's why I called you a dork, because that's a huge part of singing that you're presenting as something separate.

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943721)
Incredible.

Yes, Pink Floyd is. (I've given up trying to get the points you try to make. - You just enjoy picking people apart from your own pretentious sensibilities.)

Is Gilmour more popular than Holdsworth - Yes.
Is Pink Floyd overrated - No.
Is Brittany Spears more popular than Wagner - Yes.
Is Wagner overrated - No.

Frownland 04-24-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1943748)
Yes, Pink Floyd is.

Is Gilmour more popular than Holdsworth - Yes.

The question is not whether or not Gilmour is more popular than Holdsworth, it's whether he deserves to be. We are all very aware that Gilmour is more popular. At least try to have a discussion without wildly misinterpreting other people's posts and premises, it's better for everybody that way, sonny.

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I've given up trying to get the points you try to make.
Surely you can't give up something that you've never started?

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943746)
I know that you mean the style and emotion in his singing as opposed to his melodic virtuosity. That's why I called you a dork, because that's a huge part of singing that you're presenting as something separate.

Waters sings to his lyrics. He's a very dark, deep, and cynical person (to put it mildly). He inflects his vocals with the emotions he had while writing the lyrics.

Read the words and then listen to how he delivers them.

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You got to be crazy, gotta have a real need
Got to sleep on your toes and when you're on the street
Got to be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed
Then moving in silently down wind and out of sight
You got to strike when the moment is right without thinking

And after a while you can work on points for style
Like the club tie and the firm handshake
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you
You'll get the chance to put the knife in

Frownland 04-24-2018 01:38 PM

Definitely, he's a very expressive singer and easily my fave of the Floyd vocalists.

MicShazam 04-24-2018 01:40 PM

^ Will check it out when you post a working link :laughing:
(EDIT: Was directed at that clip posted by Elph. I'm listening to it now.)

I've just been through the entire Dark Side of the Moon album. I listened to the first 1½ minutes of "Any Colour You Like" 5 times because it's undisputedly the best thing about this album. Also, I really didn't like "The Great Gig in the Sky".

With some disappointment, I have to conclude that I find the vocals of this band really damn boring. Just neither detailed, expressive or flamboyant enough to register in any way inside my brain at all. Musically, I get the appeal of Floyd better, even if I can't exactly see myself becoming a fan any time soon.

My favorite singers tend to be of a vastly different type than this. I'm a huge fan of Mike Patton, Kate Bush and Kyo from Dir En Grey. All very much on the more strange, wild and wide-ranging end of the scale. Tori Amos, Suzanne Vega and David Gahan being examples of another style of vocalist that I can really dig.

As far as vocalists in more of a rock style, I supposed the singers of Christian Mistress, Roxy Music respectively, as well as PJ Harvey and Shannon Wright are more my speed.

I feel like the vocals of Pink Floyd (at least on DSOTM) are quite in style with the Beatles - which is another band where the singing does nothing at all for me.

I'm just not a classic rock guy. If it's classic rock, but isn't Roxy Music - I don't like it.

Frownland 04-24-2018 01:41 PM

Also those posted lyrics were sung by Gilmour :laughing:.

Chula Vista 04-24-2018 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943753)
Also those posted lyrics were sung by Gilmour.

Toe stubbed. But you get my point.

OccultHawk 04-24-2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943753)
Also those posted lyrics were sung by Gilmour :laughing:.

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MicShazam 04-24-2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1943747)
maybe Mic would like something like this


This one got boring fast, I'm sorry. I don't really have any objections musically, even if I'm not too interested in it either. But the singing... pearls before swine or whatever but I just can't say that I like it at all.

I don't have years and years of familiarity with this band behind me, so I just don't have that connection with it that all you other guys do.

grindy 04-24-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1943748)
Is Gilmour more popular than Holdsworth - Yes.
Is Pink Floyd overrated - No.
Is Brittany Spears more popular than Wagner - Yes.
Is Wagner overrated - No.

Nobody else commenting on this hilarious logic fail?

Frownland 04-24-2018 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1943752)
^ Will check it out when you post a working link :laughing:
(EDIT: Was directed at that clip posted by Elph. I'm listening to it now.)

I've just been through the entire Dark Side of the Moon album. I listened to the first 1½ minutes of "Any Colour You Like" 5 times because it's undisputedly the best thing about this album. Also, I really didn't like "The Great Gig in the Sky".

With some disappointment, I have to conclude that I find the vocals of this band really damn boring. Just neither detailed, expressive or flamboyant enough to register in any way inside my brain at all. Musically, I get the appeal of Floyd better, even if I can't exactly see myself becoming a fan any time soon.

My favorite singers tend to be of a vastly different type than this. I'm a huge fan of Mike Patton, Kate Bush and Kyo from Dir En Grey. All very much on the more strange, wild and wide-ranging end of the scale. Tori Amos, Suzanne Vega and David Gahan being examples of another style of vocalist that I can really dig.

As far as vocalists in more of a rock style, I supposed the singers of Christian Mistress, Roxy Music respectively, as well as PJ Harvey and Shannon Wright are more my speed.

I feel like the vocals of Pink Floyd (at least on DSOTM) are quite in style with the Beatles - which is another band where the singing does nothing at all for me.

I'm just not a classic rock guy. If it's classic rock, but isn't Roxy Music - I don't like it.

The vocals are pretty understatedly mellow ja. As a more atmospheric band, they're not really meant to be the focus.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1943758)
Nobody else commenting on this hilarious logic fail?

Too easy.

MicShazam 04-24-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1943762)
The vocals are pretty understatedly mellow ja. As a more atmospheric band, they're not really meant to be the focus.

I kinda suspected that to be the point. I find Gilmour's singing on DSOTM to be almost sleepy or lethargic in delivery. I want to describe the atmosphere as a sort of "moody chill". Don't know if anyone gets what I mean by that.

Janszoon 04-24-2018 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1943732)
I'm listening to "The Wall" right now to try and find out what I even feel about Pink Floyd. I haven't heard that much, really. If there's another album I should be hearing instead, feel free to show me the way.

Try A Saucerful of Secrets and Meddle.

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1943763)
I kinda suspected that to be the point. I find Gilmour's singing on DSOTM to be almost sleepy or lethargic in delivery. I want to describe the atmosphere as a sort of "moody chill". Don't know if anyone gets what I mean by that.

How do you you feel about Water's vocals?

Trollheart 04-24-2018 02:35 PM

Try this. Hardly any vocals but you might enjoy its energy. Or not. You may enjoy the bass at least.


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