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But it's my go-to for a Rubik's cube.

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Pattern of this thread:

1. Nick posts something about hating grunge and loving hair metal. Within these posts, as well as YouTube video links, are usually the phrases "grunge bands can't play", "grunge is ****", "Hair metal rocks", and "Cobain was ****."

2. Someone posts challenging one or all of these contentions, laying out reasonable rebuttals.

3. Nick posts again, repeating what he has said, without responding to the points raised by the previous poster.

4. Another, or the same, poster tries again

5. Repeat step 3

6. Someone points out to Nick that he is not answering any of the points put forward

7. Repeat step 3

8. People begin to laugh at Nick's assertions

9. Repeat step 3

10. People ignore Nick and begin discussing among themselves

11. Repeat step 3

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Nick1976

I joined this forum to discuss about music. As a fan of "hair metal" , I like discussing its rise and fall. What do you want from me? Man I miss the 80s/early 90s good times and good memories. I grew up on heavy metal. love hair metal. Nirvana was **** and I held them responsible for the destruction of rock music. God damn there was some good ****ing rock music in the 80s-early 90s. Rock music was butchered in 90s by media and people who were jealous of rock music's popularity. Late 80s/early 90s for me was the best years ever partying and getting ****ed up and getting laid i miss them days.

Frownland

In his famous collection of essays titled Silence, Cage wrote about entering such a chamber at Harvard and hearing two sounds, one high and one low. The engineer of duty informed him that the high-pitched sound was that of his nervous system, the low one that of his blood in circulation. It spurred an epiphany for Cage, one that would focus much of his musical attention on ambient and accidental sounds as opposed to willful, compositional ones. "Until I die, there will be sounds," he wrote, "and they will continue after my death. One need not fear about the future of music. Any sounds may occur in any combination and in any continuity."

As one might expect, many listeners found this view unpalatable, despite the fact that the hall itself could be a metaphor for Cage's ideal union of music and nature. There was an uproar. People thought 4'33" was a joke or some kind of avant-garde nose-thumbing. During a post-concert discussion, as Cage biographer David Revill notes, one local artist stood up and suggested, "Good people of Woodstock, let's drive these people out of town."

But, in fact, Cage's little silent composition was no joke and it would have an incalculable, if characteristically quiet, influence on a great deal of music that came after.

The emerging technology of portable recorders permitted the cataloging and manipulation of environmental sounds by musicians. Composer Steve Reich explored the rhythms of the human voice and of trains. The sound of the ocean was as central to The Who's Quadrophenia as Pete Townshend's thrashing guitar. Brian Eno, who credits Cage with inspiring him to become a composer, recorded a series of so-called "ambient" albums, music of a quietude, designed to compliment rather than compete with the sounds of life. Today hip-hop producers use street noise in their musical fabric and DJs use vinyl LP surface noise to communicate nostalgia and authenticity.

In a sense, Cage gave musicians aesthetic permission, spiritual encouragement even, to go beyond the tonalities of standard instrumentation and engage with the infinite possibilities of sound. While he composed prolifically until his death in 1992 at the age of 79, Cage remained more well-known for his ideas than his music, and the enigmatic 4'33" is the ultimate expression of those ideas.

"The most important piece is my silent piece," he affirmed. "I always think of it before I write the next piece." One critic called it "the pivotal composition of this century." Pianist David Tudor called it "one of the most intense listening experiences you can have."

But all this puts a weightiness on 4'33" that seems at odds with its playful sense of simply being allied to the world. As Cage writes at the end of his Silence, "I've spent many pleasant hours in the woods conducting performances of my silent piece, transcriptions — that is, for an audience of myself."' By inviting us to do the same, Cage transformed the art of music, and the art of listening, irrevocably.

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Trollheart

What do I want from you? How about some actual discussion? Talk TO people, not AT them. Almost every post you've made is the same: you reiterate the same points over and over again without engaging with anyone here, debating points or even saying hi. It's literally like you're talking to yourself. So if you joined MB for that, you're not going to have much fun around here, apart from as the butt of jokes. As Captain Picard says: engage!

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Neapolitan

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Time for me to school this guy on Walls of Text.

Everyone assumes you're a troll, and you probably are, but in case you're not (given your last post) here's the thing: you don't come into a forum and for your very first post write something as confrontational, simple and pointless as “I Hate Grunge”. This gives an immediate (perhaps wrong but certainly understandable) impression of you as either a) a kid with no sense b) an adult with no sense c) a troll or d) an idiot. You fail, in making that claim, to consider the reactions and feelings of those who love grunge, or at least don't hate it. You make enemies right away and you set up conflict with you as the general shared target. Just about everyone is against you, and you only have yourself to blame.

Had you come in with something like “Grunge isn't for me”, “I love Hair Metal”, “What do people think of grunge”, “I have this theory about Grunge” or any of a number of other, less inflammatory phrases, you might have engendered better reactions. Not only that, but as I pointed out to you, you're not talking to anyone. Even if you hold this view, and stick to it, you can only defend it by debating with people, and that does not mean repeating endlessly your experiences with Hair Metal, your vanished youth and your hatred for Grunge. You need to engage with people, discuss, talk, argue, accept/reject points, put your own forward, try to get some actual conversation going. If you came here to be a troll, well and good, and good luck to you, but if you came here to discuss music, as you say, and you're disappointed with your reaction, then I repeat, you only have yourself to blame for that.

Here's a typical proper debate here.
Member 1: “I hate jazz” (Okay, nobody would say that, even if they felt that way, but just for illustrative purposes, and to show that even with a confrontational opening you can get discussion going)
Member 2: “You're full of it.”
Member 1: “No, I really hate jazz. They can't play music.”
Member 2: Goes on to explain about Miles Davis, Charlie Parker and others.
Member 1: “Oh right, so it's not just all improvisational?”
Member 3: “It can be, but that's the beauty of jazz.”
Member 1: “I don't understand.”
Member 3: Explains

and so on. THAT's a conversation. What you're engaging in is not. And that's why nobody is taking you seriously, and why you appear not to be having a good time here. You still can, if you change your approach. It's up to you. First impressions last, but you can get past them if you make the effort.

Or you can keep being a troll. Up to you. Ball's in your court.

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard

damn how have i been sleeping on this thread for so long

can someone get me up to date with a tl;dr of the walls of text

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Exo

Guy is either an idiot or a troll. Everyone is getting mad at him.

Okay, now I'm mad.

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Ol’ Qwerty Bastard

i mean most grunge that i’ve heard has totally been balls to be fair

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