Bands similar to Brand New but who arent pedophiles

**Frownland** · 12-21-2017, 05:02 PM

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Your daughters weren't careful,
I fear that I am a slippery slope

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**Exo** · 12-21-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

ehhh i think we're past the allegation point by now

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Originally Posted by Frownland

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Not sure what updates have happens so I'll retract my "alleged" if it is now obvious. That was besides the point anyway.

**Frownland** · 12-21-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo

Not sure what updates have happens so I'll retract my "alleged" if it is now obvious. That was besides the point anyway.

Doesn't matter, I'm officially on the hunt for the most rapey and paedo-y Brand New lyrics I can find.

Paedantic Basterd · 12-22-2017, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Doesn't matter, I'm officially on the hunt for the most rapey and paedo-y Brand New lyrics I can find.

Me Vs. Maradona Vs. Elvis

Paedantic Basterd · 12-22-2017, 09:40 PM

Personally I think the focus of this entire thing is off track. We should hate Jesse Lacey because he's an ******* and he treats women like ****. Which is not news if you ever once paid attention to this band at any point during their career. If we want to hate him for sending dick pics to a 14 year old when he was 23 then I've got some news for you: You'd better stop listening to music entirely, just to be safe.

EDIT: Also, to clear this up for Qwerty and Exo:

They're still allegations. The only thing he admitted was that he's a huge cunt. Other than that, it's all rumours and unsubstantiated accusations.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 12-23-2017, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

Personally I think the focus of this entire thing is off track. We should hate Jesse Lacey because he's an ******* and he treats women like ****. Which is not news if you ever once paid attention to this band at any point during their career. If we want to hate him for sending dick pics to a 14 year old when he was 23 then I've got some news for you: You'd better stop listening to music entirely, just to be safe.

EDIT: Also, to clear this up for Qwerty and Exo:

They're still allegations. The only thing he admitted was that he's a huge cunt. Other than that, it's all rumours and unsubstantiated accusations.

within days of the allegations he made a post on the band’s facebook page.

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In an effort to address recent events and the public conversation currently happening, I feel it is important to make a clear and personal statement.

The actions of my past have caused pain and harm to a number of people, and I want to say that I am absolutely sorry. I do not stand in defense of myself nor do I forgive myself. I was selfish, narcissistic, and insensitive in my past, and there are a number of people who have had to shoulder the burden of my failures. I apologize for the hurt I have caused, and hope to be able to take the correct actions to earn forgiveness and trust.

Early on in my life, I developed a dependent and addictive relationship with sex. I was scared of it, ashamed, and unwilling or unable to admit it, and so it grew into a consistent and terrible problem. Years ago, after admitting my habits and cheating to my then soon to be wife, I began to approach my problem in a serious way. I entered professional treatment, both in group therapy and individual counseling, and revealed the realities of what a terrible place I had gotten to in my life, and what a terrible impact my actions had on people.

Lust, sex, love, and arousal were coping tools for me, and I returned to them repeatedly. I detached my own feelings and emotions from most of my sexual interactions. I hid, or lied about my behavior to escape reproach. I was a habitual cheater. I have been unfaithful in many, if not most of my relationships, including the relationship with my wife, who has with all of her might, patience, and grace, tried to hold our marriage together, despite having to endure the pain of the revelations of my past. It is heart wrenching that the most important changes in my life have come at the expense of others.

I am sorry for how I have hurt people, mistreated them, lied, and cheated. I am sorry for ignoring the way in which my position, status, and power as a member of a band affected the way people viewed me or their approach to their interactions with me. And I am sorry for how often I have not afforded women the respect, support, or honesty that they deserved, and which is their right. I believe in the equality and autonomy of all, but in my life I have been more of a detriment to these ideals than an advocate.

I am working to shed all my narcissism and my self obsession, and to be better. In sobriety I have changed my life and my mind in real and important ways. I have also revealed the truth of my behaviors to myself and to others. I do not have words to express the patience and help my wife has offered me. I love my family with an intensity and realness that I have never felt before, and as a husband and a father I have been granted the opportunity to wake up each day with the intent to serve my family and the people around me, and to feel, for the first time that I have purpose.

The fact remains that none of us get to put a wall up between who we are and who we were. I need to earn forgiveness. Concepts like repentance, compassion, and love, are made real through actions, and it’s through my actions that I need to prove change. I hope I can show humility, and that the pain I have caused people can heal. I am not above reproach, and no one should be.

Jesse Lacey

that strikes me as someone admitting to their mistake, albeit in an a bit of a self centred way. regardless, it’s changed my opinion of him. not that i hadn’t heard rumours of his behaviour before, it’s just different once it becomes reality.

Paedantic Basterd · 12-23-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

within days of the allegations he made a post on the band’s facebook page.

that strikes me as someone admitting to their mistake, albeit in an a bit of a self centred way. regardless, it’s changed my opinion of him. not that i hadn’t heard rumours of his behaviour before, it’s just different once it becomes reality.

I mean, he admitted that he's an ******* and a philanderer, but he did not expressly admit that her story was entirely truthful. His comment kind of spans a lifetime of general dickery. I'm just saying that it is not acceptable to read between the lines of what people say when it comes to matters like this and then to burn them at the stake for what we think they really meant.

**Exo** · 12-23-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd

The allegation in question was made by a woman who was then 14 when the "relationship" began. He'd send her dick pics, ask for nudes, and jerk off on skype. The relationship continued for a number of years and she believed he was in love with her, but he was actually just a massive cunt. A decade later she decided she regretted the whole thing and came out with the story. All of the allegations that followed, to my knowledge, have been along the lines of "I met him once and he seemed like a creep", but actually cited no crimes committed apart from being a jerk.

In the wake of this massive global polarization that's occurring, people have lost sight of the difference between non-consent and regret, and honestly, that's what this looks like to me. She consented to the relationship well past the magical age of consent that everyone is hung up on in this story.

I've done **** I've regretted at literally every age I've ever been and have never tried to take any recourse, nor has a magical adulthood fairy come down from the sky and granted me the wisdom to make good choices in life. I'm not saying he isn't a bastard, I'm just saying that I think people are outraged by the wrong aspects of this story and that I'm getting sick of rumours and stories being equated to facts before a fair and unbiased evaluation of the information.

This is exactly how I feel with the whole sexual harassment issue going on.

**Frownland** · 12-22-2017, 09:53 PM

Wait, 14? Was she a late bloomer? Because if not then maybe OP can still listen to Brand New after all.

Paedantic Basterd · 12-22-2017, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Wait, 14? Was she a late bloomer? Because if not then maybe OP can still listen to Brand New after all.

The allegation in question was made by a woman who was then 14 when the "relationship" began. He'd send her dick pics, ask for nudes, and jerk off on skype. The relationship continued for a number of years and she believed he was in love with her, but he was actually just a massive cunt. A decade later she decided she regretted the whole thing and came out with the story. All of the allegations that followed, to my knowledge, have been along the lines of "I met him once and he seemed like a creep", but actually cited no crimes committed apart from being a jerk.

In the wake of this massive global polarization that's occurring, people have lost sight of the difference between non-consent and regret, and honestly, that's what this looks like to me. She consented to the relationship well past the magical age of consent that everyone is hung up on in this story.

I've done **** I've regretted at literally every age I've ever been and have never tried to take any recourse, nor has a magical adulthood fairy come down from the sky and granted me the wisdom to make good choices in life. I'm not saying he isn't a bastard, I'm just saying that I think people are outraged by the wrong aspects of this story and that I'm getting sick of rumours and stories being equated to facts before a fair and unbiased evaluation of the information.

12-22-2017, 09:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Wait, 14? Was she a late bloomer? Because if not then maybe OP can still listen to Brand New after all. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

12-22-2017, 09:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Personally I think the focus of this entire thing is off track. We should hate Jesse Lacey because he's an ***** and he treats women like **. Which is not news if you ever once paid attention to this band at any point during their career. If we want to hate him for sending dick pics to a 14 year old when he was 23 then I've got some news for you: You'd better stop listening to music entirely, just to be safe. EDIT: Also, to clear this up for Qwerty and Exo: They're still allegations. The only thing he admitted was that he's a huge cunt. Other than that, it's all rumours and unsubstantiated accusations.