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[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Means to an end, man. Means to an end. I wouldn't listen to k-pop for my own enjoyment, that's for sure. Nah, I don't mean to insult you: some of Beefheart's work is tolerable to me, but most of it I really don't like, so I'd rather listen to stuff I enjoy, on my own time. In my thread, whole different matter.

Most of it? So you've heard more than 3/4 of his discography? Once?

Sorry that doesn't count. It goes like this:
Step one: Listen to Beefheart
Step two: Repeat step one until a casual Beefheart fan
Step three: Repeat step one until you're a die hard Beefheart fan
Step four: Repeat step one until you literally die for Beefhert

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Most of it? So you've heard more than 3/4 of his discography? Once?

Sorry that doesn't count. It goes like this:
Step one: Listen to Beefheart
Step two: Repeat step one until a casual Beefheart fan
Step three: Repeat step one until you're a die hard Beefheart fan
Step four: Repeat step one until you literally die for Beefhert

No.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

No.

Do you realize how common it is for people to not like Beefheart at first? If that wasn't such a common trajectory I wouldn't grill you for rejecting it as "not your thing," but I know the truth. You're a fan. We're all fans. You can only reject that premise after hearing TMR four times or more.

[rubber soul]

That's like saying anyone who was listening to American AM radio in late 1977 should all be into Debby Boone.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by rubber soul

That's like saying anyone who was listening to American AM radio in late 1977 should all be into Debby Boone.

No, it's like saying that an avant-garde record/artist might not be as easy to appreciate as a pop record/artist but when you can come to appreciate it, it has so much to offer that the only logical choice is to dedicate your life to the album/artist.

[Trollheart]

The results are in...

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Let's find you some more ICP.

I could get down with the clown on this track. It was pretty fun, if a little derivative. Good chorus, catchy. They totally ripped off the melody though.

This one was ****. Just terrible.

Your video didn't work. However, knowing you'd just call me a pussy, I found one that did. I wish I hadn't. This was worse than "Mad Professor". Just awful.

This one I enjoyed, though they used this theme of a dead girl already on the album I listened to, so it was a bit yeah, so what? I did like the melody though.

This was probably my favourite. I really liked this one.

And now, a Wall of Text Production from Trollheart Studios. Read or ignore, I don't mind, but it's germane to the issue.

The thing about ICP is this: when you first "forced" me to listen to Riddle Box in the Torture Chamber, I was expecting a horrible experience. Everyone on the forum had been unanimous, almost, in their dismissal of these guys, and some went so far as to say they were the worst band ever. So when I listened, and it wasn't that bad, I was surprised. As, it seems, you have never or seldom got this reaction from anyone here, you seem to have taken that as approval from me for ICP.

It's not.

See, the thing about ICP, from what I can see, is that they're like a big sticky meringue. Lovely and sweet and bad for you, but ultimately hollow and if you eat too many you get sick. ICP seem to be flogging the same basic joke all through everything I've heard from you. It's funny the first few times, but after a while you need more. They're a one-trick pony. A novelty act. And the joke wears really thin really fast.

So while I'm not saying I hate them, and I'm not saying I wouldn't listen to more of them IF I ASK, I don't want to get into them and I'm not a fan. There's so much more that I've already discovered in hip-hop alone, why would I want to keep listening to guys who think they're so funny when really they're not, or so hard when they're just boasting like overgrown children? It's a waste of my time.

So in conclusion, no more ICP unless I ask you for some, which is kind of unlikely at this moment.

This concludes this Wall of Text. Thanks for reading. If you did. If not, **** you homey!

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Do you realize how common it is for people to not like Beefheart at first? If that wasn't such a common trajectory I wouldn't grill you for rejecting it as "not your thing," but I know the truth. You're a fan. We're all fans. You can only reject that premise after hearing TMR four times or more.

No, and I don't care. Give it up man. I have literally thousands of albums and hundreds of artists to check out before I would give any more time to the meaty one. Not interested. You do you, and what will I do? Let me see ... oh yeah. I'll do me.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

No, and I don't care. Give it up man. I have literally thousands of albums and hundreds of artists to check out before I would give any more time to the meaty one. Not interested. You do you, and what will I do? Let me see ... oh yeah. I'll do me.

Fine but that makes you a bad music enthusiast. Say hi to your peers elph and Chula.

[The Batlord]

Fine. I don't expect anyone but loser juggalos and random weirdos like me to get anything from ICP beyond a surface level, but it's always fun looking for people who don't know they're ICP fans who just don't know it yet. If you're looking for anything non-gimmicky about them lyric-wise then you're in the wrong house, cause they're the gimmickiest **** ever and it's as great a weakness as it is a strength, so if that's a deal breaker then the deal is beyond broken. But hey you listen to power metal so I figured you just might not care about goofy lyrics.

But to be honest ICP's shallow musical merits are easy to grasp on a surface level, but can be surprisingly hard to master due to their cringiness that makes them easy to dismiss, so I'm never ready to totally dismiss a possible fan.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Fine but that makes you a bad music enthusiast. Say hi to your peers elph and Chula.

Yeah yeah, whatever. I see right through you, pal. You don't actually want me to get into Beefheart, you want to be the one to get me into him so you can sit back smugly and say "Told you so". I'm on to you. Tell me, if I told you that if you listened, constantly, to Marillion's discography that you would finally "get" them, would you believe me? Thing is, I wouldn't do that, because I've accepted you have no interest in hearing, appreciating or exploring Marillion's music, whereas you don't seem to be able to get it through your head that I'm not interested in your pal. You're hardly an unbiased source, you know. Let me be very clear: the chances of me ever listening, of choice, to a Beefheart album are about as likely as my winning the Miss Teenage America pageant.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Fine. I don't expect anyone but loser juggalos and random weirdos like me to get anything from ICP beyond a surface level, but it's always fun looking for people who don't know they're ICP fans who just don't know it yet. If you're looking for anything non-gimmicky about them lyric-wise then you're in the wrong house, cause they're the gimmickiest **** ever and it's as great a weakness as it is a strength, so if that's a deal breaker then the deal is beyond broken. But hey you listen to power metal so I figured you just might not care about goofy lyrics.

But to be honest ICP's shallow musical merits are easy to grasp on a surface level, but can be surprisingly hard to master due to their cringiness that makes them easy to dismiss, so I'm never ready to totally dismiss a possible fan.

If they had something else in their locker, I could overlook the rehashed, reused ideas, but they just seem to be so one-dimensional, so restricted, and I look for more than that in my music. Hey, at least I didn't hate every song...