Idina Menzel ****ing Appreciation Thread

[OccultHawk]

rapey

I have never played by any rules except strict adherence to classic no-means-no. No woman on earth has ever had to tell me no twice. That you consider consensual sex “rapey” demonstrates how deeply repressed you are.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

This isn't just in response to this post, but basically anytime you see a female artist who's attractive you make a comment about how you'd bang them. I know you see it as a throwaway comment, but in the context of your greater posting history it's pretty ****ing condescending.

And no, this is not the beginning of a series of butthurt comments to all of you over this thread cause I knew full well no one else would care, but Trollheart is wide the **** open for this, I'm drunk, and I just feel like ****ing with him, cause, let's be honest, he deserves it. He's kind of a pig about female artists.

TBH I'm surprised this thread got more than two responses over the course of its entire existence.

lol at batlord trying to white knight the forum

idc if you actually feel the way that you’re saying but it’s pretty wild that you act one way and then feel the need to act superior to other people for doing something similar. objectifying women is objectifying women. you can try and act like you’re somehow morally superior because you stick to objectifying them in a thread aimed directly at doing that, but guess what: you’re not.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

lol at batlord trying to white knight the forum

idc if you actually feel the way that you’re saying but it’s pretty wild that you act one way and then feel the need to act superior to other people for doing something similar. objectifying women is objectifying women. you can try and act like you’re somehow morally superior because you stick to objectifying them in a thread aimed directly at doing that, but guess what: you’re not.

Okay, dude. I'm sure the bros at 4Chan will +1 your generic comment about how it's either black or white, but while I am criticizing a dude for this one thing, that doesn't mean I'm calling myself morally superior. I'm just pointing out one deficiency. Pretty simple. You don't have to be a prude, just recognize the grey areas when you can notice them.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I have never played by any rules except strict adherence to classic no-means-no. No woman on earth has ever had to tell me no twice. That you consider consensual sex “rapey” demonstrates how deeply repressed you are.

I know. That's why I didn't say you were rapey. I should have qualified it but do you get my point? I could give you a long form response after I finish some business.

[Anteater]

If a woman says "maybe" then she'll just say it was "no" in court later.

Back to the main topic: there's good Adult Contemporary out there but that girl ain't it.

[Trollheart]

Well if nothing else I guess I'm glad I gave Batty's crappy thread a reason not to just fold in a few hours. Controversy: it's the lifeblood of the forums, no?

[MicShazam]

I dropped into this thread to see what the music was all about and then... all this talk about hating society and sexual objectification...

It did make me think about my own behaviour. Actually, not long ago, Batty called me a creepy perv. I'm pretty sure it was a joke, but it probably also alluded to the fact that I'm a fan of some pretty risque comic books (see Milo Manara). I don't actually see myself as neither "creepy" nor a perv, but I do have a pretty liberated view of sexuality and nudity. Honestly, to my Danish mind, American attitudes about nudity are ****ing weird. In a way, there's maybe a sort of duality to my appreciation of women - but I'd argue that it's in a purely healthy, respectful manner. As should be clear by now, I've got a record collection that's well over 50% female. Female singers, female songwriters, female musicians. There's no question that I respect the artistry of women. But at the same time, there's the aforementioned "dirty" comics, plus the fact that right there on my bookshelf, in plain sight, I've got several big collections of erotic photography. It's just one of the many things I geek out about. I imagine that many Americans would see that as pervy, but most Europeans wouldn't. Women's bodies are beautiful.

Not that I think anyone here is arguing that it's a zero sum game: Either don't talk about women's looks, or be considered sexist. No one is saying that, I know. I'm just trying to place myself somewhere on a spectrum of what's being talked about here.

I'd also say that I'm respectful towards all the women that I meet in life. I'll talk to women about any sort of subject, just like I would with a man. I'm not trying to hit on every pretty face that I meet and I don't often comment on the looks on women online either - not unless it's the obvious thing to do, given the context.

Which brings me to the "Marry Snog or Avoid" thread that Trollheart brought up. I'm a pretty frequent poster in there and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's harmless.

Then there was that weird discussion between Batlord and Occulthawk about alienation and not caring about other people... All that makes me think of is how I (fortunately) don't seem to have any choice but to care. I care immensely about other people. It's just who I am. I cried when I heard of the Utoya island massacre back in 2011, even though I know no one connected to it, or even anyone who comes from Norway. I just can't relate to the idea of not caring about people. Of course there are *******s, but I refuse to throw out all of my good will just because of that.

Sorry about the ramble. Weird threads beget weird comments.

[OccultHawk]

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by MicShazam

I dropped into this thread to see what the music was all about

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[MicShazam]

That's a good song. The singer just died. About which I care somewhat.