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Comparing the two ... Carpenters are better at depressing song, and ABBA are better at cheerful songs. ABBA had top notch studio musicians, but Karen could hold her own on the drums (in early days, before she took center stage). I honestly feel that Karen had the better voice among them. Both groups utilize overdubbing. Anna and Frida's were a lot of times overdubbed during the verse to give a full chorusy effect. Karen sang with very little echo/reverb, and the Carpenters used overdubbing for backing vocals. But you can always hear Karen natural voice with little or no effects, and she has one of the best voices in music.
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Why not? How can you resists Karen's critically acclaimed voice? Both bands lead the charts in the 70s. What an amazing decade for music. Besides the 2000s what other decade can you find Acid Folk and Post Punk? ...but the 70s!
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.
"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
"If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon
"I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards
Why not? How can you resists Karen's critically acclaimed voice? Both bands lead the charts in the 70s. What an amazing decade for music. Besides the 2000s what other decade can you find Acid Folk and Post Punk? ...but the 70s!
Don't get me wrong. I love the 70s. I grew up in the 70s. But, with the exception of a couple songs, I just wasn't into the Carpenters, Sing, sing a song? Give me a break.
And, actually I don't hate ABBA, and Waterloo and SOS aren't all that bad (though please don't see them do SOS on TV; it predates the Village People).
It's just that I'm not much of an MOR guy. Then again I do admit I like You Light Up My Life for some perverted reason. It mixes in well with Anarchy in the UK
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As Neapolitan says, Karen Carpenter had a great voice, and afaik most Carpenter songs were about everyday matters like love, etc
ABBA on the other hand have several counts against them imo. Firstly, a friend of mine liked them so I heard them much more often than I would've liked. Secondly they were unremittingly cheerful, and thirdly, they must've run out of things to say about Sweden, because lyrically they ventured into territory in which they were hopelessly unconvincing, e.g. Fernando:-
To hear them singing about fighting for freedom by the banks of the Rio Grande is just laughable to me. And while they did write another song that was about the altogether grittier and more honest topic of tour burn-out in Glasgow, the song is so upbeat that the angst might pass you by: this happy little gem, for instance, (which repeats about five times in the song) is something you can quickly tire of:-
So, yeah, Carpenters, with their wistful ballads, are suddenly looking pretty good. More plaintive, less pop - good for you, Karen!
Seriously, Lisna? ABBA should have been restricted to singing about their home country? I thought "Fernando" was a good song. It's not meant to be taken seriously. After all, Iron Maiden were hardly at Passchendale, and Lizzy didn't actually see Hitler at the Maginot Line. Doesn't make those songs any less excellent. What about "The Winner Takes It All"? "Name of the Game"? "Dancing Queen"? Come on: ABBA weren't meant to be serious - most of the time - they were just a fun band.
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Don't get me wrong. I love the 70s. I grew up in the 70s. But, with the exception of a couple songs, I just wasn't into the Carpenters, Sing, sing a song? Give me a break.
And, actually I don't hate ABBA, and Waterloo and SOS aren't all that bad (though please don't see them do SOS on TV; it predates the Village People).
It's just that I'm not much of an MOR guy. Then again I do admit I like You Light Up My Life for some perverted reason. It mixes in well with Anarchy in the UK
That's cool: Karen was a goddess but not everyone would have been into the lightweight, poppy sound of the Carpenters. Personally I think they were great, but I loved ABBA too. Have you heard "Goodbye to Love"? Worth it just for the solo at the end...
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Seriously, Lisna? ABBA should have been restricted to singing about their home country?
^ Well, you're quite right, that comment about Sweden was uncalled for. It was just little a rhetorical flourish that I should've resisted because it's completely unfair. Sorry.
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I thought "Fernando" was a good song. It's not meant to be taken seriously. After all, Iron Maiden were hardly at Passchendale, and Lizzy didn't actually see Hitler at the Maginot Line. Doesn't make those songs any less excellent. What about "The Winner Takes It All"? "Name of the Game"? "Dancing Queen"? Come on: ABBA weren't meant to be serious - most of the time - they were just a fun band.
^ I guess I'm too grumpy, too earnest to enjoy many fun bands and, although I've never really thought it through, perhaps I expect too much in terms of plausability too. I prefer it when an artist's songs meshes with their stage persona in a way that allows for what someone once called "the willing suspension of disbelief." Abba's "Fernando" just doesn't do it for me I'm afraid.
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Don't get me wrong. I love the 70s. I grew up in the 70s. But, with the exception of a couple songs, I just wasn't into the Carpenters, Sing, sing a song? Give me a break.
And, actually I don't hate ABBA, and Waterloo and SOS aren't all that bad (though please don't see them do SOS on TV; it predates the Village People).
It's just that I'm not much of an MOR guy. Then again I do admit I like You Light Up My Life for some perverted reason. It mixes in well with Anarchy in the UK
Sing, Sing a Song would be an absolutely disaster, if it was redeemed by Karen Carpenters' voice. I always thought of myself as middle of the road, cause I don't like Metal and I don't care for Pop ... but that being said there are a few rare exceptions.
In the very beginning in the group's career they were still searching for their identity, how to dress, and I don't think ABBA was any more outrageous than any other UK Glam Rock band, or Pop artist like Elton John, or even early 70s Funk bands in America. And Funk bands got more wild with their wardrobe as the 70s went on e.g. Earth, Wind & Fire. The Village People were sorta tame in comparison.
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Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.
"it counts in our hearts" ?ºº?
“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.” Jack Kerouac.
“If one listens to the wrong kind of music, he will become the wrong kind of person.” Aristotle.
"If you tried to give Rock and Roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'." John Lennon
"I look for ambiguity when I'm writing because life is ambiguous." Keith Richards
ABBA or The Carpenters?
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