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Paedantic Basterd 11-06-2017 11:35 PM

Paedantic Basterd Listens to the Past
 
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Cuthbert 11-07-2017 12:25 AM

Subbed.

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 12:38 AM

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Cuthbert 11-07-2017 12:50 AM

I remember them, didn't have the album though :D

I remember having to do music homework which involved reviewing a song, I forgot to do it and I went in early and told the music teacher before school started so he put a song on and said I could review one quickly and the song he put on was a B*Witched song. The point of this post: there isn't one.

Some absolute cheese being posted so far, I love it :cool:

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1891325)
Some absolute cheese being posted so far, I love it :cool:

Oh you don't even know what's in store.

rubber soul 11-07-2017 04:38 AM

B* Witched, weren't they Spice Girls wannabes?

Pop was definitely at its zenith in the nineties :rolleyes: Can you do the macarena?

Trollheart 11-07-2017 06:27 AM

I'm not for a moment challenging the premise of the thread - if Ped and others feel this way, that's fine - but personally I can't imagine why someone would "get out of" a band or artist they liked when younger. All of the artists I enjoyed when I was, say, 15, though I may not listen to them as much now as I did then, I still enjoy. Maybe it's because I listened to music I actually liked, rather than what was cool or on the radio, and there was no clique telling me what I should listen to. Or maybe it was because I wasn't ever really musical - as in, able to play a musical instrument properly - so I couldn't see flaws in the music. I don't know. All I know is, I can't point to any artist I used to listen to and slag them off now, or myself, saying "How did I ever listen to that?"

If anything, there are bands and artists I used to avoid listening to, out of pure ignorance, or lumping all bands of one genre together (Fiction Factory and Depeche Mode, as one of my workmates once put it succinctly, as "Puff Bands") that I have started giving time to as I get older, and find, in the main, they have a lot to offer.

Just my three-fiddy, for what it's worth.

Cuthbert 11-07-2017 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891354)
I'm not for a moment challenging the premise of the thread - if Ped and others feel this way, that's fine - but personally I can't imagine why someone would "get out of" a band or artist they liked when younger. All of the artists I enjoyed when I was, say, 15, though I may not listen to them as much now as I did then, I still enjoy. Maybe it's because I listened to music I actually liked, rather than what was cool or on the radio, and there was no clique telling me what I should listen to. Or maybe it was because I wasn't ever really musical - as in, able to play a musical instrument properly - so I couldn't see flaws in the music. I don't know. All I know is, I can't point to any artist I used to listen to and slag them off now, or myself, saying "How did I ever listen to that?"

Because as you get older your taste either matures or changes, you hear more music, find new artists, other stuff appeals or you can relate to new things cos of life experiences and you realise the stuff you used to like wasn't actually that good. Or it was juvenile and a bit cringe worthy and appealed to you because you were a child yourself. I used to think some Backstreet Boys tunes were amazing but that's probably cos I had only heard about fifty songs.

imo of course

Cuthbert 11-07-2017 06:57 AM

The above post was my response to this btw:

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I can't point to any artist I used to listen to and slag them off now, or myself, saying "How did I ever listen to that?"
Not me trying to explain the reasons for this thread.

rubber soul 11-07-2017 07:00 AM

In my generation, it was the Partridge Family and the Osmond Brothers. I dare anyone to tell me they're in love with them now. :laughing:

Trollheart 11-07-2017 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1891358)
Because as you get older your taste either matures or changes, you hear more music, find new artists, other stuff appeals or you can relate to new things cos of life experiences and you realise the stuff you used to like wasn't actually that good. Or it was juvenile and a bit cringe worthy and appealed to you because you were a child yourself. I used to think some Backstreet Boys tunes were amazing but that's probably cos I had only heard about fifty songs.

imo of course

Not for me though. I've got into newer and different artists, sure, but I never look back and say "Oh I hate that one now". I mean, if you eat beef when you're young and then discover, maybe caviar, I don't know, do you stop eating beef and laugh at yourself for ever having done so? If you watch Cary Grant movies and later get into Fellini, do you stop watching Cary Grant movies? I don't understand what makes the music you used to listen to suddenly have no value when you're older, unless as I say you never actually liked it in the first place, only listened to it because it was all you knew, or to fit in cos everyone else liked it. None of those apply to me. Go through my album collection and pick out any album and I bet I can say I still listen to, or at least still rate, that artist. Yes, even Barry Manilow!

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1891366)
The above post was my response to this btw:



Not me trying to explain the reasons for this thread.

I think that was understood.

Cuthbert 11-07-2017 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891372)
Not for me though. I've got into newer and different artists, sure, but I never look back and say "Oh I hate that one now". I mean, if you eat beef when you're young and then discover, maybe caviar, I don't know, do you stop eating beef and laugh at yourself for ever having done so? If you watch Cary Grant movies and later get into Fellini, do you stop watching Cary Grant movies? I don't understand what makes the music you used to listen to suddenly have no value when you're older, unless as I say you never actually liked it in the first place, only listened to it because it was all you knew, or to fit in cos everyone else liked it. None of those apply to me. Go through my album collection and pick out any album and I bet I can say I still listen to, or at least still rate, that artist. Yes, even Barry Manilow!

Because the bench mark is low when you haven't heard much music, and even if it is all you know it doesn't mean you didn't like it at the time. Catchier music with more conventional structures tends to appeal more when you are a kid as well imo.

Re: your beef point I was going to make a similar point with taste buds and sweets but I left it.

But if you still like the stuff you listened to as a child I dunno maybe you were some dedicated music nerd straight away. The only stuff I still like is Garage really.

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I think that was understood.
Cool just wanted to make it clear as it's Ped's thread.

Frownland 11-07-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891372)
Not for me though. I've got into newer and different artists, sure, but I never look back and say "Oh I hate that one now".

This is just a theory, but my guess would be that Pedestrian does look back and say that since she is a different person from you.

MicShazam 11-07-2017 08:02 AM

I don't know about that either, Trollheart. As a kid, I really liked Roxette. They just strike me as sort of bland and sugary now. Just like 8 year old me would gladly eat all sorts of multi colored, artificial tasting candy crap that I'll make sure avoid as an adult. I literally don't think either of those things are good anymore. 8 year old me was a philistine.

Subbed, btw :yeah:

rubber soul 11-07-2017 08:23 AM

I can't think of anyone I liked growing up (and no, I didn't like the Partridge Family), that I don't like now. I may not like them as much, but I don't hate them either.

Trollheart 11-07-2017 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1891381)
Because the bench mark is low when you haven't heard much music, and even if it is all you know it doesn't mean you didn't like it at the time. Catchier music with more conventional structures tends to appeal more when you are a kid as well imo.

Re: your beef point I was going to make a similar point with taste buds and sweets but I left it.

But if you still like the stuff you listened to as a child I dunno maybe you were some dedicated music nerd straight away. The only stuff I still like is Garage really.



Cool just wanted to make it clear as it's Ped's thread.

I guess I was. I never liked the chart material. I'd listen to it, as at the time it was the only real way of hearing music, but mostly I just slagged it off. I think my first real bands were ELO and Genesis, and once I heard them I didn't want to have anything to do with the charts. I was also an avid reader of Kerrang!, so again, pop music and what was cool at the time had no interest for me. Maybe I was a kid out of time.
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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1891383)
This is just a theory, but my guess would be that Pedestrian does look back and say that since she is a different person from you.

Which is why I prefaced my remark with "Not to me". Try to keep up, I know it's hard. :rolleyes:

As to MicShaz, who for some reason didn't get quoted though I hit the icon, well the same as above really. I LISTENED to pop, as I had no choice back then, and I bought it for my radio show, but other than that, I had no interest in it, so I guess I was always serious about music from a pretty early age really.

Frownland 11-07-2017 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891392)

Which is why I prefaced my remark with "Not to me". Try to keep up, I know it's hard. :rolleyes:

I know, Backtrackheart, but you also said this

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I can't imagine why someone would "get out of" a band or artist they liked when younger
The answer is quite simple: they are not you, so they approach music differently and don't enjoy some artists from their youth. It shouldn't be very complex but we can go over it in more detail if you like.

Trollheart 11-07-2017 09:03 AM

Whatever. Anyway, I'm not here to derail Ped's thread so I'll leave it at that. I suppose if anyone wants to continue the conversation with me, or anyone else, along those lines, this would be the thread to do it in.

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...hole-life.html

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1891394)
I know, Backtrackheart, but you also said this



The answer is quite simple: they are not you, so they approach music differently and don't enjoy some artists from their youth. It shouldn't be very complex but we can go over it in more detail if you like.

I also said this:
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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891354)
I'm not for a moment challenging the premise of the thread - if Ped and others feel this way, that's fine -

Anyway, I'll leave yaz to it.

Frownland 11-07-2017 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891399)
Whatever. Anyway, I'm not here to derail Ped's thread so I'll leave it at that. I suppose if anyone wants to continue the conversation with me, or anyone else, along those lines, this would be the thread to do it in.

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...hole-life.html


I also said this:

Anyway, I'll leave yaz to it.

Lol I like how you say let's not derail this any further before you go back to derailing it. You ain't fooling anyone and I'm not going to let you use this fake moral high ground as a way for you to get the last word either.

Anyway since you still seem a bit confused let me put it like this: have you ever not liked an artist's work? Well falling off of an artist is just like that, except in the past, you felt differently and your taste has changed over time. This thread is a way for Ped to revisit the validity of her opinions on those artists. Does that make sense?

MicShazam 11-07-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891392)
I LISTENED to pop, as I had no choice back then, and I bought it for my radio show, but other than that, I had no interest in it, so I guess I was always serious about music from a pretty early age really.

Maybe that's the thing. I didn't really have a deep interest in music intil my late teens, where I suddenly got a sort of ephiphany and became more serious about music.

Trollheart 11-07-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1891402)
Lol I like how you say let's not derail this any further before you go back to derailing it. You ain't fooling anyone and I'm not going to let you use this fake moral high ground as a way for you to get the last word either.

Anyway since you still seem a bit confused let me put it like this: have you ever not liked an artist's work? Well falling off of an artist is just like that, except in the past, you felt differently and your taste has changed over time. This thread is a way for Ped to revisit the validity of her opinions on those artists. Does that make sense?

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1891399)
I suppose if anyone wants to continue the conversation with me, or anyone else, along those lines, this would be the thread to do it in.

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...hole-life.html

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Frownland 11-07-2017 10:18 AM

Last word goes here.

The Batlord 11-07-2017 10:31 AM

Maybe you just have stunted musical tastes, TH.

Trollheart 11-07-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1891425)
Maybe you just have stunted musical tastes, TH.

You callin' me a musical midget, fatboy? :ar_15s:

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1891324)
There was something on YTV (Canadian children's network) called "The Hit List", which was basically a top-10 countdown show for pop and R&B videos in the 90s.

omg nostalgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zone_(YTV)

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 06:46 PM

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Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 08:31 PM

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Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1891454)

Jesus Christ, Carlos has been at The Zone for like two decades now. And I don't think he's aged a day either.

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 08:59 PM

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Neapolitan 11-07-2017 09:02 PM

Is there any chance you like Crystal Castles debut album?

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1891661)
Is there any chance you like Crystal Castles debut album?

I'm a bigger fan of II and III.

Neapolitan 11-07-2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1891663)
I'm a bigger fan of II and III.

TBH I love that album so much I never got pass CC I. Kinda dark, but brilliant.

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2017 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1891664)
TBH I love that album so much I never got pass CC I. Kinda dark, but brilliant.

But II has Year of Silence on it, which is one of my favourite tracks ever.

Neapolitan 11-07-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1891665)
But II has Year of Silence on it, which is one of my favourite tracks ever.

CC I is great all the way through. It would be impossible for me to think which song is the best on the album, but Air Wave and Good Time really strike a chord with me. I really love those songs.

Janszoon 11-08-2017 04:01 AM

I would just like to say I like Ace of Base and I ain't ashamed.

Plankton 11-08-2017 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1891715)
I would just like to say I like Ace of Base and I ain't ashamed.

I knew it. I saw the sign.

Trollheart 11-08-2017 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1891777)
I knew it. I saw the sign.

:clap:

Neapolitan 11-08-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1891777)
I knew it. I saw the sign.

Orange you glad I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes?

MicShazam 11-08-2017 06:36 PM

It's all that he wants.

LoathsomePete 11-08-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1891656)
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Artist: Prozzak
Album: Hot Show
Year: 1998
Genre: Dance-Pop

My Age Then: The government of Canada makes Canadian radio and television play something like a mandatory 30% Canadian content in their programming. As a result, there are a bunch of artists who are tremendously well-known in Canada, but literally unheard of anywhere else. This is one of those weird little bands that probably only Qwerty will also know. I have vivid memories of not understanding the sexual content of the lyrics, but simultaneously knowing I wasn't supposed to listen to this with my mom around. Oh yeah, and this album taught me the word "bastard", so thanks?

My Age Now: This is some silly ****. "Simon" and "Milo" (animated characters, like Gorillaz, but absolutely nothing like Gorillaz) are two white, teenage Torontonians pretending to have British accents and singing songs about STDs and masturbation. And they were ****ing MASSIVE because of it. In Canada, I mean. I remember thinking that Strange Disease and Sucks to be You were some of the hardest-hitting songs I had ever heard (granted, I was eight). What actually exists is a collection of very silly pop songs about ****ing. Hot Show either samples Santana's Smooth or directly apes it. Shag Tag legitimately sounds like it belongs in Jarvis Cocker's discography instead of here. The faster songs are actually kinda solid, but the slower and/or more uplifting tracks are forgettable rubbish.

Best Tracks: The singles are still pretty catchy. That includes Hot Show, Strange Disease, and Sucks to be You. If we're all being honest with each other, this is not that far away from being a Pulp album, and if it had been, I'd be all up on its dick.

Rating or Something: 2 / 5, or "Inconsistent".

How I Feel About it Now: I told my friend Brian that I was reviewing this and he said he saw them live last year. THEY'RE STILL A BAND. THEY RELEASED AN ALBUM THIS YEAR. Life is full of surprises.

See For Yourself:




I don't think I've thought about this band since 1998... I had no idea they were Canadian though.


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