Alice Cooper or Marylin Manson

rubber soul · 11-03-2017, 01:30 PM

Honestly, ICP may have been more shocking but it seems like Manson received a lot more outrage comparatively speaking as did Cooper, who was a lot more bizarre as the years went on. Late during his reign he would do photo ops at golf courses with some pretty square people. I thought I remembered a picture at a golf course with Bing Crosby but I could be totally wrong on that.

I think GWAR is pretty awesome too. I've seen them do some hilarious things on YouTube.

OccultHawk · 11-03-2017, 01:32 PM

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Honestly I don't think they ever really had enough of their own sound to really rise above the novelty of their live show. They're fun as ****, but as a band they were never more than decent for the most part. Oderus was really the most unique thing about them as a band.

I thought of them entirely as a live phenomenon so I was happily surprised that they could grind out some good metal riffs. I felt the same way about the Murder Junkies when I saw GG Allin. Not metal but I was like damn, they’re a solid ****ing band.

OccultHawk · 11-03-2017, 01:39 PM

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Honestly, ICP may have been more shocking but it seems like Manson received a lot more outrage comparatively speaking as did Cooper,

Schools were far more concerned about Juggalos. When teachers see ICP scrawled on a notebook it still incites terror.

The Batlord · 11-03-2017, 01:40 PM

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yeah but that's all totally irrelevant. the question was who was more shocking, not who was more relevant or who was bigger. sure, alice cooper did it for longer. but during his initial rise Marilyn Manson was ****ing nuts.

edit - i hope nobody read this pre-edit, shocking typos.

As far as shocking to the mainstream then I'd give it to Cooper easily simply cause in the 70s no one had done that **** (as far as I know), but I never really remembered Manson or ICP ever having any serious difference in impact past a couple albums that entered the mainstream consciousness at the right time. If Manson did it was probably cause he was bigger when Columbine hit. Otherwise he was just as flash in the pan. ICP had a seriously underrated evolution as artists that changed continually for over a decade that never sat still and always pushed forward.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 11-03-2017, 01:46 PM

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Schools were far more concerned about Juggalos. When teachers see ICP scrawled on a notebook it still incites terror.

yeah that's not true. i can't speak for every school but i know at mine the kids who wore ICP t-shirts were the same ones that everybody made fun of. it's more of a meme now than anything else.

i think appeal of ICP to a lot of kids is that they're seen as misfits and losers and it gives them an in to make some friends and meet some likeminded people. hence why 90% of the Juggalos i've met have been losers.

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As far as shocking to the mainstream then I'd give it to Cooper easily simply cause in the 70s no one had done that **** (as far as I know), but I never really remembered Manson or ICP ever having any serious difference in impact past a couple albums that entered the mainstream consciousness at the right time. If Manson did it was probably cause he was bigger when Columbine hit. Otherwise he was just as flash in the pan. ICP had a seriously underrated evolution as artists that changed continually for over a decade that never sat still and always pushed forward.

just because someone did it first doesn't mean they did it better. it's hard to contrast the two i suppose, because of how times have changed.

The Batlord · 11-03-2017, 01:50 PM

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I thought of them entirely as a live phenomenon so I was happily surprised that they could grind out some good metal riffs. I felt the same way about the Murder Junkies when I saw GG Allin. Not metal but I was like damn, they’re a solid ****ing band.

Granted, this was at the end right before Oderus died, but when I saw GWAR live they came across as a high quality live band but not much more besides their highly fun live show, whereas ICP, also well into their musical decline, were a revelation as a live band for their integration of highly fun and energetic music (even the new songs) and charismatic theatrics of mass destruction. I'd easily say that ICP, at least as of the late 00s were by far the better band live, and easily the best live act I've ever seen. I enjoyed GWAR live, but I barely remember the first time I saw ICP live because I was so gone on how fun it was that I couldn't be bothered to remember. Seriously, Faygo sounds like such a dumb gimmick, but it was the best thing ever to get covered in it and be soaked in soda for an hour while jumping up and down in the middle of the crowd. It's a physical connection between the energy of the group and the energy of the crowd that can't be underestimated.

OccultHawk · 11-03-2017, 01:51 PM

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i think appeal of ICP to a lot of kids is that they're seen as misfits and losers and it gives them an in to make some friends and meet some likeminded people. hence why 90% of the Juggalos i've met have been losers.

God you’re a dick.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard · 11-03-2017, 01:52 PM

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God you’re a dick.

god has nothing to do with this.

The Batlord · 11-03-2017, 01:52 PM

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yeah that's not true. i can't speak for every school but i know at mine the kids who wore ICP t-shirts were the same ones that everybody made fun of. it's more of a meme now than anything else.

TBH you were barely born before ICP was a thing in schoolyards.

OccultHawk · 11-03-2017, 01:53 PM

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Granted, this was at the end right before Oderus died, but when I saw GWAR live they came across as a high quality live band but not much more besides their highly fun live show, whereas ICP, also well into their musical decline, were a revelation as a live band for their integration of highly fun and energetic music (even the new songs) and charismatic theatrics of mass destruction. I'd easily say that ICP, at least as of the late 00s were by far the better band live, and easily the best live act I've ever seen. I enjoyed GWAR live, but I barely remember the first time I saw ICP live because I was so gone on how fun it was that I couldn't be bothered to remember. Seriously, Faygo sounds like such a dumb gimmick, but it was the best thing ever to get covered in it and be soaked in soda for an hour while jumping up and down in the middle of the crowd. It's a physical connection between the energy of the group and the energy of the crowd that can't be underestimated.

That sounds awesome.

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