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Oh and anyone into symphonic metal (and by god therefore into power metal unless they suck cock) should hear Elvenking's Heathenreel. It's goofy, poppy, and ridiculous as any Nightwish album, but knows that's it's supposed to be fun and not take itself too seriously and is all the better for it. Also it's one of the best PM albums of all-time and I'm just taking any opportunity to spam it and I don't even give a **** how relevant this post is.
I see a close enough tie between the two genres, really. But again with the "taking themselves too seriously" business. I see NW as fun music. And they seem to have fun playing it.
I'll take a listen to Elvenking later. I like the genre sometimes, but I've mostly absorbed it through Helloween albums.
For those who see no redeeming qualities in the genre whatsoever, grant me just a few minutes and I will show you how symphonic metal can be pretty legit - by way of Nightwish of all things! The thing with Nightwish is, that while I like all of their albums outside of their debut, I really think they've become a much better band with their two later singers. Everyone knows them with the original singer, Tarja, but their best output is, in my opinion, from the Anette Olzon and Floor Jansen eras. Not least, I also find these two ladies to be much more appealing singers than Tarja.
Anyway, I've picked two songs and a starting point for each. All you have to do is go to the suggested time code and you will start right as the best part is about to begin. Personally, I think everything after the marked point is fantastic in both of these songs. I love the music here and Floor really sells the vocals too. I'm even going to venture as far as to say that I can't see anything cheesy about these two songs either. It's just legit good music to me. No guilty pleasures in sight.
So, will anyone indulge me? Then you can tell me how wrong I am afterwards.
7 Days to The Wolves (Live with Floor Jansen) Start from 03:20.
Ghost Love Score (live with Floor Jansen) Start from 05:35.
I listened to both tracks from where you suggested. Unfortunately, neither one won me over. I do think it's possible that a symphonic approach to metal could yield results I'd enjoy, but the way this is done doesn't work for me. A huge part of the problem is the vocals, which I felt dominated the music but were the least interesting part of it. I wasn't super excited about the rest of the instrumentation either, but I think if they got rid of the vocals altogether, they could make the music more complex and probably more interesting.
I listened to both tracks from where you suggested. Unfortunately, neither one won me over. I do think it's possible that a symphonic approach to metal could yield results I'd enjoy, but the way this is done doesn't work for me. A huge part of the problem is the vocals, which I felt dominated the music but were the least interesting part of it. I wasn't super excited about the rest of the instrumentation either, but I think if they got rid of the vocals altogether, they could make the music more complex and probably more interesting.
I get how you feel. There's a lot of music out there that seems to need a pinch of something extra for me to enjoy it. I'm into vocalists and melodic singing in a very big way, so that helps keeping me engaged in the symphonic metal that I do like. Plus I just personally think that Nightwish has a lot of simple, but fun musical hooks. It definitely isn't intricate guitar playing by any means, and neither is the orchestral backing.
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I listened to both tracks from where you suggested. Unfortunately, neither one won me over. I do think it's possible that a symphonic approach to metal could yield results I'd enjoy, but the way this is done doesn't work for me. A huge part of the problem is the vocals, which I felt dominated the music but were the least interesting part of it. I wasn't super excited about the rest of the instrumentation either, but I think if they got rid of the vocals altogether, they could make the music more complex and probably more interesting.
Honestly I think the approach would best come from actual classical artists as it's a much more difficult genre to get right. Sort of like Naked City did with their accomplished style of jazzified grindcore.
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I see a close enough tie between the two genres, really. But again with the "taking themselves too seriously" business. I see NW as fun music. And they seem to have fun playing it.
I'll take a listen to Elvenking later. I like the genre sometimes, but I've mostly absorbed it through Helloween albums.
But nobody has fun listening to it.
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No one. No one at all. I'm just sitting here with a furrowed brow myself.
Except you. And Ki. Nightwish make all their albums for you two, and it must be hell running around at every concert, the two of you trying to make it sound like a big crowd. I don't envy you.
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Except you. And Ki. Nightwish make all their albums for you two, and it must be hell running around at every concert, the two of you trying to make it sound like a big crowd. I don't envy you.
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It pays surprisingly well.
Something tells me it doesn't pay as well without Tarja.
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