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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
"Well at least this will be over soon. Also a nice way of showing how the whitest people on Earth think that throwing some stereotypical Middle Eastern bits in is in any way creative or justifies calling a song "Arabesque". Gag."
Ouch. Generally speaking, the genre suffers from bad vocals, but the above are exceptions in my eyes. Problem is, I think most people, especially metal and rock fans, have some irrational hatred of overtly melodic and powerful singing, unless it has some hint of aggression to it.
I have no problem with melodic singing. In fact, as you probably realise by now, I'm just the opposite. In general, aggressive doesn't do very much for me.
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For some reason I had the impression that you hated the genre. Probably a particularly venomous entry in your 2017 Albums thread.
Yeah well in fairness that was Xandria, and they are ****. Not the ****, but just ****. Awful, awful band.
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I personally don't include Lacuna Coil at all, plus they're guilty of the clean/grrrr duality. They should fire the growly guy. Cristina Scabbia has a great voice though.
Haven't actually learned to appreciate the other 3 bands you mentioned yet. I did have a very short lived romance with Leave's Eyes once.
Thing is, Syphillis Metal can be great on one song, but **** on another. It's really a matter of taste and, in some cases, tolerance and/or endurance. I've suffered through plenty of bad tracks on SM albums just waiting to get to the good stuff. Occasionally, it's even been worth it.
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If the inherently grandiose tendencies of the genre and the vocal stylings of the genre strike you as cheesy, then I'm not sure I could come up with anything that would change your mind.
I think it's probably unlikely. Love it or loathe it, it has to be accepted that most SM bands follow the same formula, much as power metal does. If you don't like one, you're probably not going to like the others.
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Originally Posted by MicShazam
For those who see no redeeming qualities in the genre whatsoever, grant me just a few minutes and I will show you how symphonic metal can be pretty legit - by way of Nightwish of all things! The thing with Nightwish is, that while I like all of their albums outside of their debut, I really think they've become a much better band with their two later singers. Everyone knows them with the original singer, Tarja, but their best output is, in my opinion, from the Anette Olzon and Floor Jansen eras. Not least, I also find these two ladies to be much more appealing singers than Tarja.
Anyway, I've picked two songs and a starting point for each. All you have to do is go to the suggested time code and you will start right as the best part is about to begin. Personally, I think everything after the marked point is fantastic in both of these songs. I love the music here and Floor really sells the vocals too. I'm even going to venture as far as to say that I can't see anything cheesy about these two songs either. It's just legit good music to me. No guilty pleasures in sight.
So, will anyone indulge me? Then you can tell me how wrong I am afterwards.
7 Days to The Wolves (Live with Floor Jansen) Start from 03:20.
Ghost Love Score (live with Floor Jansen) Start from 05:35.
Nightwish is a terrible example. Almost everyone here (bar Ki, who's gone now) hate Nightwish, and mostly, they're right to. I think I listened to Dark Passion Play and it was ok, but the others are just terrible in general. Quite laughable. The problem being mainly that they take themselves way too seriously for what Batty would call, and has called, correctly, goofy metal.
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Oh ****, Really? That bad? It's probably my second favorite Nightwish album!
I do have a few of their songs on my hard drive. A good half of them are from Comalies. While I like Floor Jansen quite a bit, I still actually agree that Scabbia is better. It's just that her band mostly bores me. They really dropped the ball after the first few albums.
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Who calls their child Floor? Jesus! She's going to be walked all over for the rest of her life!
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Nightwish is a terrible example. Almost everyone here (bar Ki, who's gone now) hate Nightwish, and mostly, they're right to. I think I listened to Dark Passion Play and it was ok, but the others are just terrible in general. Quite laughable. The problem being mainly that they take themselves way too seriously for what Batty would call, and has called, correctly, goofy metal.
If you're gonna be silly, melodic metal that isn't just self-consciously cheesy then you best come the **** correct. Blind Guardian is the perfect example. They make LOTR concept albums but can actually pull it off while sounding like they actually should be taken seriously, but they still know that they're goofy and aren't too pretentious about it. Perfect balance of seriousness and fun I suppose, and there are far too few who can strike that balance which is what makes Blind Guardian so special.
And they're even symphonic.
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Who calls their child Floor? Jesus! She's going to be walked all over for the rest of her life!
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Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien
There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
Last edited by The Batlord; 10-18-2017 at 01:15 PM.
Comalies is a unicorn: it has all the elements people hate about Evanescence but somehow the songwriting makes it all work. Rest of those bands...not so much.
That being said, Roy Khan-era Kamelot has some good **** going on. And like Batty mentioned, Blind Guardian are a lot of fun.
Comalies is a unicorn: it has all the elements people hate about Evanescence but somehow the songwriting makes it all work. Rest of those bands...not so much.
That being said, Roy Khan-era Kamelot has some good **** going on. And like Batty mentioned, Blind Guardian are a lot of fun.
Yeah but Kamelot are more Prog Metal really. I wouldn't consider them symphonic at all.
They're also guilty of taking themselves way too seriously. Have you listened to Silverthorn?
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Oh and anyone into symphonic metal (and by god therefore into power metal unless they suck cock) should hear Elvenking's Heathenreel. It's goofy, poppy, and ridiculous as any Nightwish album, but knows that's it's supposed to be fun and not take itself too seriously and is all the better for it. Also it's one of the best PM albums of all-time and I'm just taking any opportunity to spam it and I don't even give a **** how relevant this post is.
Just please ignore the kinda sorta extreme metal vocals that very occasionally pop up for no good reason but are so innocuous that they really do nothing but just sit there to be ignored.
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Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien
There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
Last edited by The Batlord; 10-18-2017 at 01:42 PM.
Yeah well in fairness that was Xandria, and they are ****. Not the ****, but just ****. Awful, awful band.
No disagreements there. They've made my ears bleed more than once.
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Nightwish is a terrible example. Almost everyone here (bar Ki, who's gone now) hate Nightwish, and mostly, they're right to. I think I listened to Dark Passion Play and it was ok, but the others are just terrible in general. Quite laughable. The problem being mainly that they take themselves way too seriously for what Batty would call, and has called, correctly, goofy metal.
I don't understand the idea that Nightwish supposedly take what they do "too seriously". Seems to me they're having a ton of fun with it.
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Who calls their child Floor? Jesus! She's going to be walked all over for the rest of her life!
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