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Trollheart 08-26-2017 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867738)
*googles*

Mother of god.

http://www.theworkofgod.org/Images/OurLady.jpg

Frownland 08-26-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867737)
I heard good things about Dogtooth, but I haven't seen that either.

*shaking head gif*

Get on it if you can find the time, both very worth it.

Lisnaholic 08-26-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867714)
I only ever occasionally watched HIMYM, but Ted/Robin was Ross/Rachel 2.0 but lame. Barney/Robin made far more sense.

Yep, I thought the entire series was Friends 2.0 but less funny. Protagonist Ted ended up rather two-dimensional (dimension #1, in love; dimension #2 not in love). And that married couple (Mitchell and wife) alternated between toe-curlingly cute and extremely tedious.

I ended up watching more How I Met... than I wanted to in order to please a friend, and for me that's an essential ingredient in hating music too; hearing it more often than you want to. In that spirit, I invite you to enjoy the following, which I hear about four times a day:-


Trollheart 08-26-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867741)
I mean, no I don't go around telling people they shouldn't watch stuff but... I also don't do that with music? Point is, my opinion on music is not special or different from my opinion on anything else, and I don't treat it as such as the discussion asserts people do.

No, you don't.
Let's use our friend Ki as an example. Hands up anyone who has laughed at or ridiculed his music taste (my own hand is up, don't worry)?

Chula Vista 08-26-2017 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867737)
I heard good things about Dogtooth, but I haven't seen that either.

Dogtooth, is simply put, one of the most unique, weird, messed up, sit at the edge of whatever you're sitting on with your eyes wide and mouth agape, movies I've seen. It's pretty much impossible to summarize the plot since it's about 100 miles further out than left field.

Spoiler for Spoiler:
For what it's worth, when the son plays classical guitar while the daughters dance, he's not faking it. Dude has chops. And I'll never be able to look at Listerine or VHS tapes the same way ever again.


I actually really liked 10 Cloverfield Lane. Haven't seen Snowpiecer yet but it's in my queu.

Paedantic Basterd 08-26-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867745)
No, you don't.
Let's use our friend Ki as an example. Hands up anyone who has laughed at or ridiculed his music taste (my own hand is up, don't worry)?

Still a nah. I have no illusions that my opinion should extend to others beyond stating it and seeing what they think of it.

djchameleon 08-26-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867703)
I don't particularly like sports, but I do have a soft spot for the Red Sox. Anyway, if you're from a place is it really a requirement that you like everything that place is known for?

No, because I don't really like any of the sports teams where I'm from. I will watch a Giants or Jets game every once in awhile but mostly to laugh at them.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867725)
And how ****ing long did Hiro spend in ancient Japan doing who cares what? I suspect the first season was only as good as it was because, again, they ripped off Watchmen. After that they tried writing their own stuff and had absolutely no interesting ideas so they tried throwing as much nonsense as they could at the wall. I don't even know if I got through half of season 3.

The writer's strike screwed up Heroes. Season 2 and 3 were okay in my books but season 4 they just dropped the ball but that's the main reason why though. It was unfortunate that they got caught up in it. I missed the whole revival of Heroes one season one off. I wonder how good that one turned out. I vaguely remember one of the newer characters having this ability to turn into a VR character in a video game.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea 08-26-2017 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867663)
Most rap music does actually have melody though.

Yeah, like, 2 notes. Or maybe 3. And they aren't really "sung."

Neapolitan 08-26-2017 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867745)
No, you don't.
Let's use our friend Ki as an example. Hands up anyone who has laughed at or ridiculed his music taste (my own hand is up, don't worry)?

What was wrong with Ki's taste in musi? I have not found his musical taste laughable. But then again I don't know too much about it. So what am I missing here?

Frownland 08-26-2017 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea (Post 1867773)
Yeah, like, 2 notes. Or maybe 3. And they aren't really "sung."

Or 20k. Melody goes beyond vocals you know. And rapped vocals can melodic too.


Mondo Bungle 08-26-2017 10:00 PM

If the vocals were sung would we call it sing?

Norg 08-26-2017 10:25 PM

generic bring heard it before not loud enough no wow factors

these are some of the things

djchameleon 08-26-2017 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea (Post 1867773)
Yeah, like, 2 notes. Or maybe 3. And they aren't really "sung."

Since you have basically written off rap music. You don't know this but there are rappers doing the whole rap then sing thing within the same song.

Or just straight up singing.


Chula Vista 08-26-2017 11:45 PM

I'll take rap vocals over cookie monster stuff any day of the week. And even twice on Thursdays.

Trollheart 08-27-2017 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867756)
Still a nah. I have no illusions that my opinion should extend to others beyond stating it and seeing what they think of it.

Every post of that nature I make should be automatically taken to come with a disclaimer that says: Not Ped. As I said before, you're lovely and everyone loves you, and you reciprocate. We all wish we were you.
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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1867777)
What was wrong with Ki's taste in musi? I have not found his musical taste laughable. But then again I don't know too much about it. So what am I missing here?

Everyone slags him about his love of Dream Theater and post rock. I like the guy but even I did it, even though it was in a thread I created to actually defend his music. :laughing:
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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 1867783)
generic bring heard it before not loud enough no wow factors

these are some of the things

Damn! Has anyone seen my Norg to English dictionary???
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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1867789)
Since you have basically written off rap music. You don't know this but there are rappers doing the whole rap then sing thing within the same song.

Or just straight up singing.


I was guilty of this too, and found I was wrong. Can't remember who, but I do recall someone reccing an album which turned out to be hip-hop with singing. It was pretty good.
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1867792)
I'll take rap vocals over cookie monster stuff any day of the week. And even twice on Thursdays.

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Zhanteimi 08-27-2017 06:39 AM

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Janszoon 08-27-2017 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea (Post 1867773)
Yeah, like, 2 notes. Or maybe 3. And they aren't really "sung."

Singing isn't a prerequisite of melody. Bebop has oodles of melody but rarely has any vocals, for example. In hip hop songs, generally speaking, rapping is part of the rhythm and the melody comes from other instruments.

Trollheart 08-27-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1867813)
Singing isn't a prerequisite of melody. Bebop has oodles of melody but rarely has any vocals, for example. In hip hop songs, generally speaking, rapping is part of the rhythm and the melody comes from other instruments.

To say nothing of scat. Then there's vocalise.
Not to mention this, where Waits doesn't sing by any definition; this is almost a rap, long before its time.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867805)
Everyone slags him about his love of Dream Theater and post rock. I like the guy but even I did it, even though it was in a thread I created to actually defend his music. :laughing:

That's unfair. He also likes symphonic metal and symphonic black metal. Ugh.

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I was guilty of this too, and found I was wrong. Can't remember who, but I do recall someone reccing an album which turned out to be hip-hop with singing. It was pretty good.
This?


Trollheart 08-27-2017 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867833)
That's unfair. He also likes symphonic metal and symphonic black metal. Ugh.

And Nightwish and Life of Pablo. The list goes on. What's that Birds Sing McKnight or something? Jesus, that was bad.
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This?


Yeah, could very well be. I dun 'member so good.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1867840)
And Nightwish and Life of Pablo. The list goes on. What's that Birds Sing McKnight or something? Jesus, that was bad.

Travis Scott. I don't remember which "s" was a dollar sign nor do I care.

Anteater 08-27-2017 10:52 AM

I know people who won't even listen to music if the band isn't vegan, straight-edge or an advocate for Black Lives Matter or whatever. So I let them talk and then I turn on some Kid Rock. Also, I can think of two in particular that say they hate metal cause it "promotes misogyny".

I guess the takeaway here is always think hard about why you feel the way you do about music. Cause I wish some of the people around me would do that.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1867850)
I know people who won't even listen to music if the band isn't vegan, straight-edge or an advocate for Black Lives Matter or whatever. So I just let them talk and then I turn on some Kid Rock.

I wouldn't go that far.

Paedantic Basterd 08-27-2017 11:39 AM

I have found rap and metal difficult genres to get a door into in the past, but that said, I've done it. I genuinely think that there's an album out there for everyone for every kind of music.

The Batlord 08-27-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867865)
I have found rap and metal difficult genres to get a door into in the past, but that said, I've done it. I genuinely think that there's an album out there for everyone for every kind of music.

I honestly can't picture you listening to metal. What was it?

Trollheart 08-27-2017 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867846)
Travis Scott. I don't remember which "s" was a dollar sign nor do I care.

Yeah that's him. Godawful. I tried to like it, but after the first three seconds or so I had to give up. Hey, I gave it a fair chance!
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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1867850)
I know people who won't even listen to music if the band isn't vegan, straight-edge or an advocate for Black Lives Matter or whatever. So I let them talk and then I turn on Kid Rock. With a rock. Also, I can think of two in particular that say they hate metal cause it "promotes misogyny".

I guess the takeaway here is always think hard about why you feel the way you do about music. Cause I wish some of the people around me would do that.

fixed. :D
The other bolded: no, not really. For me, there's no great secret to why I like certain music. I like it cos I like it. It makes me feel a certain way, I like the lyric, I like the melody, I like the idea of it. I don't have to explain that to nobody, which is why it irked me in the past (and still does, though to a lesser extent) when I find myself having to defend music many see as "shitty" but which I enjoy. I don't think anyone should have to defend their music. JTF is constantly on D'Angelo's dick. I hate that music. But do I let it bother me? Do I tell him constantly that I believe his music taste sucks?

Trollheart 08-27-2017 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867867)
I honestly can't picture you listening to metal. What was it?

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:laughing:

The Batlord 08-27-2017 11:54 AM

I guess there's a joke in there somewhere.

Chula Vista 08-27-2017 12:24 PM

Re: The Grateful Dead

When I was 11-12 years old (pre-internet, pre-MTV, pre-color TV :D) everyone raved about Zeppelin, Sabbath, Purple, and The Dead.

I've had close to a half century love affair with Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Purple. My first stab with The Dead was the live album LIVE/DEAD.

I thought it sucked after the first listen. I thought it sucked after giving it another few tries. About a year later I gave it another go and.... it sucked.

Over the years I've had many Deadheads try to get me into the band harder than Tom Cruise tries to get his Hollywood buds into Scientology. They've all failed.

I understand the appeal of the whole mashup of Americana, Folk, and Gospel, all wrapped up with a hint of rock and psychedelica, but the bottom line is to my ears their music is rambling and boring as hell.

Frownland 08-27-2017 12:26 PM

I could see you enjoying Terrapin Station maybe, but ja even as a fan of music that is generally aimless and noodly, the Dead are too aimless and noodly.

MicShazam 08-27-2017 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867865)
I have found rap and metal difficult genres to get a door into in the past, but that said, I've done it. I genuinely think that there's an album out there for everyone for every kind of music.

I almost agree with this, but probably only if we stick to major genres. Some get ridiculously specific to the degree where I doubt I'll hear a single good track in the style.

I still haven't really found the hip hop album for me. Except M.I.A, but I feel like what she does is barely hip hop. I'm probably wrong about that, but her albums really do feel very, very different to me from any rap I've ever heard. Absolutely everything else = blah.

Chula Vista 08-27-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867888)
I could see you enjoying Terrapin Station maybe, but ja even as a fan of music that is generally aimless and noodly, the Dead are too aimless and noodly.

I've given TS a number of tries to no avail.

What I love about live Zep vs. what I hate about live Dead can be summed up with Dazed and Confused vs. Dark Star.

During the 73 and 75 tours, Dazed could last anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes. The band definitely added a ****load of improvisational jamming that varied depending of their mood on any given night, but they always had certian triggers to maintain a sense of continuity.

1: Bass intro and wah-wah interludes
2: Main vocal theme
3: Fast instrumental and 'oriental' riffs
4: "San Francisco/Achilles Last Stand" or "Woodstock"
5: Violin bow episode leading up to a full bowed crescendo of the main theme from Gustav Holst's Mars, the Bringer of War.
6: Fast guitar solo and battle with Plant
7: Slower tempo solo and 'funky' moods
8: Violent breaks and call and response interlude
9: Faster solo in crescendos and occasional break-up tempo, some occasions combined with "Walter's Walk" or "St. Tristan's Sword"
10: New arrangement of Mars, the Bringer of War (slow and fast versions) and final frenzy
11: Return to main theme
12: Coda. Final instrumental and vocal battle inside syncopated rhythms, drum-solo and final explosion.

With Dark Star the Dead would start with the basic framework of the song and then just wander aimlessly. Every now and then it worked but mostly it was just a mess because of the lack of a sense of overall structure.

Some people dig that. I don't.

Frownland 08-27-2017 12:51 PM

Maybe don't expect Led Zeppelin from a band that isn't Led Zeppelin? Just a thought.

Chula Vista 08-27-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1867898)
Maybe don't expect Led Zeppelin from a band that isn't Led Zeppelin? Just a thought.

I'm just explaining why I dig Zep and don't dig The Dead.



Maybe don't expect peas to taste like buttered corn? Just a thought.

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

The Batlord 08-27-2017 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1867893)
I almost agree with this, but probably only if we stick to major genres. Some get ridiculously specific to the degree where I doubt I'll hear a single good track in the style.

I still haven't really found the hip hop album for me. Except M.I.A, but I feel like what she does is barely hip hop. I'm probably wrong about that, but her albums really do feel very, very different to me from any rap I've ever heard. Absolutely everything else = blah.

Nah, MIA is a pop artist with hip hop mixed in. What do and don't you like about hip hop? I think it's one of the more restricted genres of music out there, but it's still pretty diverse because every genre is probably.

MicShazam 08-27-2017 12:57 PM

Basically, you're saying Dead don't manage to keep things interesting when playing extended songs live, while Zep manages to keep things dynamic and surprising. At least that's what I took away from it.

Chula Vista 08-27-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1867902)
Basically, you're saying Dead don't manage to keep things interesting when playing extended songs live, while Zep manages to keep things dynamic and surprising. At least that's what I took away from it.

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(he gets me, he really gets me :love: )

Janszoon 08-27-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1867865)
I have found rap and metal difficult genres to get a door into in the past, but that said, I've done it. I genuinely think that there's an album out there for everyone for every kind of music.

I agree. Or at least I think there's an album out there for me for every kind of music.

MicShazam 08-27-2017 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867901)
Nah, MIA is a pop artist with hip hop mixed in. What do and don't you like about hip hop? I think it's one of the more restricted genres of music out there, but it's still pretty diverse because every genre is probably.

I've just seen her categorized as hip hop many times, but every site might have it's own opinion about an artist. I often disagree with Allmusic's categorizations, for example, even if if they're sort of the IMDB of music.

The basic template of hip hop is just incredibly dull to me: Looped beats with mostly rhythmically oriented vocals tracks on top. Often very little in the way of key changes or any notable chord changes. Low on melody too, although it can appear. When hip hop gets a bit more interesting, it's usually through vocal manipulation and weirder sampling. The problem is that soundscapes, beats and lyrics aren't what I love about music. I'm very big on melody, chord structures, key changes, forward moving song structures... exactly the things hip hop mostly ignores.

EDIT: Plus I tend to like traditional singing the most. There are exceptions, but my favorite singers tend towards artists with a trained voice, several octave vocal span, ability to consistently hit the right notes, etc.

Trollheart 08-27-2017 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1867875)
I guess there's a joke in there somewhere.

Given the title of the album, and your question to Ped, then yes. Yes there is.


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