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Old 06-09-2017, 05:41 PM   #41 (permalink)
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But what if they aren't the first ones to do anythig? I mean them being first or second or third to do such or such or whatever doesn't change their music, why even bother pointing that out? Just listen to the **** and like it or don't.
Why not point it out so long as you're not using it as a tool to discredit them? What difference does it make?
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:44 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Why not point it out? What difference does it make?
I think that's a meaningless argument, but I'm not gonna tell you how to spend your time
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:46 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Meh, just sounds like a way for the prune faced to shut up those who are making them uncomfortable.
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:50 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Meh, just sounds like a way for the prune faced to shut up those who are making them uncomfortable.
I'm not a big Beatles fan myself so it's not, I just think that it has nothing to do with the actual music you listen to.
Don't really care about people liking Beatles or not.
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:52 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Revolution 9 sucks
If it sucks, then what does that mean for the rest of their subpar output

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Zappa got on the radio but had nowhere near Beatles status.
I never said he got their "everybody knows them" status, but he was innovating far more, and more informed too before the Beatles did it....and had way better drumming

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That's why you can point to this album as the last section of the fuse that kicked off the psychedelic explosion.
Zappa's "Return of the son of monster magnet" originally had a fully notated orchestra score (which accompanied the band) but at the last minute his arrangements where cut and it was released the way it is.
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:53 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I got your back here Chula

It's awe inspiring. Looking for some petty way to diminish it shows you're still not ready for it. It's that great. It's not open to deification. It's been a God since the day it was released.
In other words, unassailable?
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I believe they were the first ones to have sitar in their music
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Better than being dumb enough to think that not inventing a genre/musical approach is discounting the band in any way. Or actually thinking that an album can be untouchable just because it's important to you. At the end of the day we're all just a flock of morons I guess.



They were the first to culturally appropriate the sitar, which is why I don't like them because racists suck.

People really think like this.
I think the collective noun for morons is a "mob"? A mob of morons? Have to check that one
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Lol, the Beatles is subject to criticism as much as anyone else.

I always find it amusing that Zappa's Freak Out was a large influence on Sgt Pepper, yet Sgt Pepper still gets all the credit.


Yes, A Day in the Life is a great track but it's not like a certain rock musician* hadn't already used an orchestra before (and was about to release a full-on orchestra/band/Musique concrete collage album). That orchestra part isn't original either but it makes for the Beatles 2nd best song (firstly being the Stockhausen knock off Revolution 9)
Do me a favour: when you use an asterisk have it go somewhere. Big hate of mine, spending ages looking for what the asterisk refers to, to find it refers to nothing.
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I tend to see the Beatles as a band that influenced a lot of the greatest rock and pop albums of all time, rather than actually contributing to it themselves
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I'm not a big Beatles fan myself so it's not, I just think that it has nothing to do with the actual music you listen to.
Don't really care about people liking Beatles or not.
I agree actually. Doesn't make the subject irrelevant to conversations about the album though.
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If it sucks, then what does that mean for the rest of their subpar output
It says they were more in their element for that kind of thing than avant-garde music.

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I never said he got their "everybody knows them" status, but he was innovating far more, and more informed too before the Beatles did it....and had way better drumming
I get that. I was responding to your point that they get all the credit by explaining exactly what that credit is, and it ain't innovation. It's spread and as a result of that, influence.
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I agree actually. Doesn't make the subject irrelevant to conversations about the album though.
You know my post was actually more addressed to the Zappa guy Spectralmusic
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