Chula Vista

Jebus Christ, this is getting weird Frowny.



RIP: Michael Lee

As close to Bonham as anyone has ever gotten.

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Frownland

I think you're letting your view of the group paint your points too much in this instance and bringing in The Monks kind of espouses that. Mahavishnu Orchestra dropped Birds of Fire two years before Barry White became big. But what's the point of establishing that context if the music and influence of both groups go in massively different directions? Food for thought.

Right here.

Also FYI a lot of punk music could easily be called "heavy rock."

Now that's the business.

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Frownland

Then be glad that I pointed out your bandwagon argument to you so that you won't do it again.

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Spectralmusic

Yep, I don't deny that though since the 90s especially the rise in chromaticism in metal became far more significant. It started to take more from different modes too (but then again ,we're generalizing because there are like 50 subgenres since then )

But I am a firm believer on Sabbath being more significant though, as they directly anticipated quite a few metal subgenres (you know doom, sludge/stoner, elements of NWBH and even thrash to some degree)
But it's not like I'm going to make an absurd claim they started Djent or industrial death metal

They played a more significant role in the birth of metal than any known band, that is what I'm sure of.

I love their music but then they're not my favorite metal band either, metal has come a really long way since the late 60s, just like rock and pop has come a long way since Sgt Pepper (not that I'm making trying to make a statement about that here).


Zepplin do seem quite removed from metal in general to me though, there are definitely those little fragments but they seemed to have just had more impact on 70s/80s hard rock than anything else. Also keep in mind that music in general got heavier over time, or the public perception changed. They have more groove than tritone-infested rhythmic syncopated IMO

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Spectralmusic

No, I just want salsa on my burritos, I'm ****ing hungry, no ****!

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Chula Vista

I can hang with this.

I guess my 57 year old bias is based on reading quotes of metal giants who proclaim Zep as a huge influence. It's not my opinion, it's theirs.

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Spectralmusic

To make it clear, I don't hate the group or the album but I do question incessant claims that people make about it over the years. And:

* Sgt Pepper is a great album that I enjoy a lot/an album that means lots to me
* Sgt Pepper is the most culturally important/influential album in rock/pop history
* Sgt Pepper is the greatest masterpiece of all rock music, nothing can and will ever surpass this true statue of godlike perfection

Are all different (yet not mutually exclusive) claims, you know?

I do feel like pulling apart different elements of what lead to some of these conclusions people persistently have, I find it intriguing as a music fan/listener/composer in general, regardless of album.

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Spectralmusic

Influence is fine, influence always crosses over between genres but that doesn't make those influences the same thing as the things they influenced?


You know, I appreciate when a death metal frontman is also a huge fan of 50s folk music or when a modern blues singer is also a big reggae fan, there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes rhythms are highly influential too. You've heard about the influence the drum beat from "When The Levee Breaks" had right? it's perfectly fine and I respect it but it doesn't mean that Zeppelin created hip-hop though

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OccultHawk

stop using that emoji so much

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Spectralmusic

But it's the second best one on this forum

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