Actually, I think old and modern drone fans are two very different groups yes. Mostly because of the association that drone originally had with modern classical (ya know, being borne from it and all) that got swept away as the term modern classical became more expansive. I think this has led to drone and ambient becoming more casual genres, so to speak.

I don't think you're making enough effort to dig. It's not like you have to go to record shops and ask them to sample **** for you like I did.

Yeah. I mean, fans of La Monte Young are obviously on a different level of sophistication.

That's kind of my point though: the majority of high school students will grow up to be that typical person with locked in garbage taste as opposed to slightly fluid socially driven tastes. Obvious exceptions and all that, but I'd rather take musical advice from an older basic bitch because, as has been mentioned before, they've had time to strip away the fads and garbage, while younger listeners can't separate the two as easily. But you do have a good point with the internet, I guess I'm thinking of this pretty traditionally.

Do they have any interest in stepping beyond The Fall?

I actually took immediate offense to wiki describing them as "no wave" a term I suppose I hold sacred for the time and place. Pioneering ethic in that case.

Not saying they're not a good band, btw.

But you neglect how unsocial and how uneffected by proximity of like minded peers the Internet has made things. A lot of kids favorite stuff is just other kids singing famous songs on YouTube. There's stuff that has caught on, obviously, but a surprising amount of the market share goes to whatever a kid bounces on on YouTube with no concern about anything except if it catches their attention. Extreme fragmentation means that weird interesting and unknown **** is a part of the norm. There's beauty in all kinds of things older people almost always disregard without even consideration.

High school kids don't care about music? Bull****. They identify with it the most.

What do you call artists inspired by the movement? Just post punk?

I get your philosophy but I still use it as a sound descriptor.

If liking Britney Spears means getting laid we'd all listen to her at every opportunity.

Yeah, just post punk. That scene was so revolutionary. You call a monk a Buddhist not a buddha.

I'm making fun of you. People aren't getting laid because they listen to an artist. And if they are... well, she's a hoe and you probably have herepes.

I'll take your **** then, if this phenomenon happens to really manifest.

What's herepes?

So worth it.

I've danced to terrible music for sex. Doesn't define my tastes, it defines me as a party animal.

Lol. Autocorrect is a bitch.

Lol.

What artists are popular in that 18-26 age group right now? I'm putting this to test

It's really hard to dance to music you really don't like. I usually gave up unless I found a chick who was drunk enough to let me dryhump her on the dance floor. You bitches call foul...I know, I know.

@blankmond I usually don't shazam what I'm listening to in those scenarios. That one "me myself and I" song has been popular forever it seems.

I don't even dance to music I like except maybe in a live scenario (based on my PIL and Silver Apples experiences).

You have good taste but it's also stunted by bias. I can easily see you missing an aesthetic reminiscent of The Shaggs or even Half Japanese hidden in something you would write off immediately as pedestrian.

Speaking of conformity, do you take a single political position that's not straight down the line liberal?

That tag :laughing:

Seriously man WTF??? Go sell your Jad Fair records.

I was just joking. I'm the opposite of a party animal. That said, when I do karaoke, I've noticed people get up and dance to songs that on any other day they will tell you they hate. Every time I karaoke with my uncle he always performs Danzig's Mother despite him hating the song.

I think party situations offer up more of a mob mentality towards music.

Which supports the idea that discovering music online and alone one becomes less influenced by fads.

Chula started it, but I think it's as good of a yardstick as anything I can think of.

Yeah. Humans by nature are pack animals. I'm more likely to admit to my Fandom of Melanie Martinez do to her popularity in pop culture vs admitting to my fandom for Truckfighters, whom you may call underground.

You self identify as an anarchist?

Good point

I'm an anarchist, too. Small world. The right wing Ayn Rand objectivist movement or whatever else they want to call it anarcho-capitalism or whatever is bull****. Unless you support abolishing private property in the legal sense we aren't the same sort of anarchist. I haven't met anyone who called themself an anarchist who didn't hate me since the early 90s. Back then I got along with other anarchists.

Ohmy****. Shut up and talk about music you whores.

Your uncle is a ***got. "Mother" rules.

But you don't seem to have the hatred for all things hierarchical that I do. Isn't the deconstruction of all or at least almost all hierarchies a fundamental principle? Not that my politics are well expressed here but I feel like that's at the core of my beliefs.

there was different music then and now so it's hard to say

Capitalism, post-capitalism, or the failure to reach post-capitalism, is according to Fisher, one of the most important realities we have to face in order to understand where music is at and why it is where it is.

where is it

Maybe he could've afforded a boat to fish with using the money he spent trying to float on that idea.

It's certainly relevant but I wouldn't say that it's central. Plus, that wasn't exactly being applied here.

Come on. If time wasn't chronological we couldn't have this discussion. The point is why and how it's different (and the same).

Contrast the music and the philosophies of the artists. Certainly your boy Patton fits into all of this. He's almost a textbook case. Extrapolate on him. Is his only newness the novelty of collaging the old?

I dunno, if you ask me he's been releasing a hugely varied body of albums/projects over the course of both periods

Well I'm cautiously making the case that it has reached a point where it has become passé and maybe unnecessary to challenge the status quo.

Beyond Christianity and I guess Islam, what other religions is this true for? Are you speaking specifically of organized religion or religious belief in general?