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Old 05-11-2017, 06:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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****ty people can make awesome music, but I imagine it helps if it isn't sappy, indie twat music that you're supposed to cry and eat ice cream to, like whatever the **** you seem to be talking about. I guess you're supposed to connect with it or whatever women do with music.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Sig worthy stuff there, Batlord!
Almost everything The Batlord writes is sig-worthy.
And so is this.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:57 PM   #33 (permalink)
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I should just qualify this statement by placing a caveat here: this does not include in any way that **** Watkins. What he did is unforgivable and he should and hopefully will burn in Hell, if it exists. There are no mitigating factors to his crime. None.

But that said: I think often, for me at least, the question can also be one of historical or present, let's call it bad behaviour, hereafter referred to as bb, cos I'm lazy. If the bb took place when the artist was young, ie before he or she became famous, then perhaps (depending on the bb in question) for me, it might not matter as much. Similarly, if the bb occurred AFTER the person's career had ended, again, maybe not so bad. I'm not trying to downplay the crime, not in any way, but if I can listen to the music knowing the person was not engaged in that behaviour when they wrote or sang that song, then it isn't as hard to take. Gary Glitter is a perfect case, although I don't particularly like his music. He was famous in the 70s but only, so far as I know, started travelling to the Far East for underage sex later in his life. So I can listen to his music (if I have to) knowing he was not engaging in this sort of bb when that music was around.

Varg, too. While I can't excuse or condone what he did, I find it uplifting that he was able to compose such fine music while imprisoned. Rather than fume and plot and look to the day he'd be released and would reoffend (I don't know if he did or not) he spent his incarceration doing what he loved, killing Jews, I mean, making music. Sorry. So that for me kind of softens the blow.

I guess I'm lucky, in that most of the bands I listen to are boring and safe, so it's unlikely that Rick Wakeman or Peter Gabriel are going to rape anyone, but if they did, I would then have to think seriously about what that meant. However, enjoying their music for so long I think that I might be able to get past any bb, again depending on how serious it was.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:49 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I'll throw my two cents in.

Overall it comes down to whether or not I am directly supporting poor behavior or not. I feel no guilt whatsoever listening to the music of people who do bad things, as long as it is quality music. However, I will in no way support artists who dare to act in such disgusting manners. I can buy a Swans disc and know that the money is, hopefully, still going to the other members of the band. If the music itself is good enough and the person is bad enough, I'll just pirate it, or worse stream it on Spotify (since apparently no one gets paid there except the label). Most of the time though, and especially with the OP's case, the band is bad enough where I just don't care about their music and only the people they may have hurt.
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Varg, too. While I can't excuse or condone what he did, I find it uplifting that he was able to compose such fine music while imprisoned. Rather than fume and plot and look to the day he'd be released and would reoffend (I don't know if he did or not) he spent his incarceration doing what he loved, killing Jews, I mean, making music. Sorry. So that for me kind of softens the blow.
Hey if you wanna know what Varg's up to just check out his Youtube channel. He will tell you everything that's going on with him and the entire rest of the world.

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What did they do mate?

Also yeah to add to my post I'd draw the line at supporting an artist if I knew the money was funding something dodgy.
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Edit: I couldn't even make it through half of that crap. What an awful song.
I presume you're talking about that indie thing, not "Be My Baby"?
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:43 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Hey if you wanna know what Varg's up to just check out his Youtube channel. He will tell you everything that's going on with him and the entire rest of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective
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I presume you're talking about that indie thing, not "Be My Baby"?
Of course. BMB is a classic.
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Nah. Not interested thanks.
But you'd love Office Space.
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I typically don't read into the lives of the musicians I listen to, usually if they've done something unforgivable I don't know about it and would prefer not to so that I continue listening to the music for the music.
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