The Album Club 2017

Trollheart · 04-18-2017, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Once I saw that was your pick I didn't think it was a good pick because I didn't think anyone would have the audacity to criticize it.

This is frankly a ridiculous statement. You actually believe there are albums that are above criticism because of their legendary status? I believe every album, every book, every film, anything should be open to honest criticism: status should not preclude that. I think ISB's reaction to the album is perfect: coming from a position of not knowing anything about it or the artist, he did not know how he was "supposed" or "expected" to react and so gave an honest, unvarnished opinion, which I applaud. I did know about her, and afforded her that respect, but said the album was not for me. That's honest criticism, and I can't see how or why that should be stymied just because the album is a classic.

I personally said there was nothing wrong with the album, just that I didn't like it. If I want female Country music I'll go for Tammy, Dolly, Emmylou or Crystal, thanks. Just not my cup of tea, and that should be, and is, my right to say, without worrying about pissing off someone who thinks the album should be "unassailable". What a crazy idea! An unassailable album! An album beyond criticism! Good Lord.

I run a journal called Classic Albums I Have Never Heard and I've dissed more classics in there than you've made angry posts. Not because I wanted to, but because I didn't like them, or they didn't appeal to me. I would have no problem with someone not liking or criticising an album I considered to be a classic (Dark Side of the Moon maybe, or something like that) and would not say "Hey! You can't do that! It's a classic!"

Ridiculous.

I recently reviewed Sinatra's In the Wee Small Hours, which comes top of the 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die list, and I didn't like it. I acknowledged its pedigree, sure, but that didn't automatically make me like it. Nothing should be above honest criticism, otherwise what is the point?

tealdeer: everything should be open to criticism, regardless of status. No sacred cows.

**Frownland** · 04-18-2017, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

tealdeer: everything should be open to criticism, regardless of status. No sacred cows.

Take note, Chula.

Sinatra is good but my god I don't think there's a more overrated jazz musician in all existence. Except for maybe Kamasi Washington but I'm sure that will pass in time.

OccultHawk · 04-18-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is frankly a ridiculous statement. You actually believe there are albums that are above criticism because of their legendary status? I believe every album, every book, every film, anything should be open to honest criticism: status should not preclude that. I think ISB's reaction to the album is perfect: coming from a position of not knowing anything about it or the artist, he did not know how he was "supposed" or "expected" to react and so gave an honest, unvarnished opinion, which I applaud. I did know about her, and afforded her that respect, but said the album was not for me. That's honest criticism, and I can't see how or why that should be stymied just because the album is a classic.

I personally said there was nothing wrong with the album, just that I didn't like it. If I want female Country music I'll go for Tammy, Dolly, Emmylou or Crystal, thanks. Just not my cup of tea, and that should be, and is, my right to say, without worrying about pissing off someone who thinks the album should be "unassailable". What a crazy idea! An unassailable album! An album beyond criticism! Good Lord.

I run a journal called Classic Albums I Have Never Heard and I've dissed more classics in there than you've made angry posts. Not because I wanted to, but because I didn't like them, or they didn't appeal to me. I would have no problem with someone not liking or criticising an album I considered to be a classic (Dark Side of the Moon maybe, or something like that) and would not say "Hey! You can't do that! It's a classic!"

Ridiculous.

I recently reviewed Sinatra's In the Wee Small Hours, which comes top of the 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die list, and I didn't like it. I acknowledged its pedigree, sure, but that didn't automatically make me like it. Nothing should be above honest criticism, otherwise what is the point?

tealdeer: everything should be open to criticism, regardless of status. No sacred cows.

I would retort but that post was an unassailable classic.

The Batlord · 04-18-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is frankly a ridiculous statement. You actually believe there are albums that are above criticism because of their legendary status? I believe every album, every book, every film, anything should be open to honest criticism: status should not preclude that. I think ISB's reaction to the album is perfect: coming from a position of not knowing anything about it or the artist, he did not know how he was "supposed" or "expected" to react and so gave an honest, unvarnished opinion, which I applaud. I did know about her, and afforded her that respect, but said the album was not for me. That's honest criticism, and I can't see how or why that should be stymied just because the album is a classic.

I personally said there was nothing wrong with the album, just that I didn't like it. If I want female Country music I'll go for Tammy, Dolly, Emmylou or Crystal, thanks. Just not my cup of tea, and that should be, and is, my right to say, without worrying about pissing off someone who thinks the album should be "unassailable". What a crazy idea! An unassailable album! An album beyond criticism! Good Lord.

I run a journal called Classic Albums I Have Never Heard and I've dissed more classics in there than you've made angry posts. Not because I wanted to, but because I didn't like them, or they didn't appeal to me. I would have no problem with someone not liking or criticising an album I considered to be a classic (Dark Side of the Moon maybe, or something like that) and would not say "Hey! You can't do that! It's a classic!"

Ridiculous.

I recently reviewed Sinatra's In the Wee Small Hours, which comes top of the 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die list, and I didn't like it. I acknowledged its pedigree, sure, but that didn't automatically make me like it. Nothing should be above honest criticism, otherwise what is the point?

tealdeer: everything should be open to criticism, regardless of status. No sacred cows.

OccultHawk · 04-18-2017, 08:37 AM

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Kamasi Washington

Thank you. What a horrible ****ing hack that piece of **** fraud is. Kenny G pretending to be Pharoah Sanders.

**Frownland** · 04-18-2017, 08:40 AM

I think The Epic has some great songs that would be great to see a large band like that play live, but there's just way too much filler and people have got to stop praising him as some kind of jazz saviour.

OccultHawk · 04-18-2017, 08:44 AM

He's so ****ing pretentious. Even if he's not really as bad as I say I don't care. He deserves it.

Trollheart · 04-18-2017, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I would retort but that post was an unassailable classic.

I've got to hand it to you, that was ****ing funny.

**Exo** · 04-18-2017, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Take note, Chula.

Sinatra is good but my god I don't think there's a more overrated jazz musician in all existence. Except for maybe Kamasi Washington but I'm sure that will pass in time.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Thank you. What a horrible ****ing hack that piece of **** fraud is. Kenny G pretending to be Pharoah Sanders.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think The Epic has some great songs that would be great to see a large band like that play live, but there's just way too much filler and people have got to stop praising him as some kind of jazz saviour.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

He's so ****ing pretentious. Even if he's not really as bad as I say I don't care. He deserves it.

I don't understand either of you. Savior? No. Great musician who put out a killer album? Yes.

**Frownland** · 04-18-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo

I don't understand either of you. Savior? No. Practiced musician who put out a solid yet expensive album that was really nothing really worth writing home about? Yes.

Ftfy

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	He's so ****ing pretentious. Even if he's not really as bad as I say I don't care. He deserves it. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html