If I say jazz is **** then it should be assumed that I have not invented a reality altering machine that causes the lines of objectivity and subjectivity to become blurred. It's a ****ing opinion, you dillweed.

That's total bollox. I know, one ****ing hundred percent, if I dismissed a whole genre - nevr mind two - with a glib one liner like that there would be people here down my throat. I don't give a **** about Dixieland but you can't just say it's crap, and was crap, dismissing everyone who liked it, and may still do. How much Dixie/Rag has Hawk listened to, I wonder? It's a complete pile to say "it's his opinion": that's not how he's phrasing the OP, so other opinions must be taken into account.

Not that I give a **** either way, but your double standards stick in my throat. Seriously.

Rap Metal is a whole genre and I think it's all crap.

Yeah. You think. You don't say, like Hawk did, it is and always was crap, as if nobody else's opinion matters. Ah, who the **** cares? Do what yaz like: I'm off to bed.

Idk DG do it a bit of justice. RATM is good as well, and there's some Faith No More that's kind of Rap Rock.

My mind doesn't consider the vocal aspects of these bands to be rap. Maybe that's a cop out but I just don't hear it as rap. I'm talking more of the ICP sort of stuff.

And if you trashed a genre I liked with an "IMO" in front I'd still **** down your throat. You see, some people aren't defensive babies. Some people just engage in musical discussion.

Fair enough, but imo there's even moments pf the "nu-metal" brand of rap rock that I think still hold some ground as not sucking. ICP is objective garbage though.

ICP is also not rap rock. They had a couple albums with a bit of guitar thrown in for a few songs, but they're not rap rock by any stretch of the imagination.