The transcendence of music

JGuy Grungeman · 08-09-2016, 04:35 PM

Fist fight!!!

Blank. · 08-09-2016, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Fist fight!!!

.... no.

**Frownland** · 08-09-2016, 04:36 PM

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Now that we have that out of the way, I'm not gonna kiss him. How about a manly handshake that will break each other's hands?

This sentence is gayer than two men kissing.

Ninetales · 08-09-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Overall, I reached the point where I didn't have to disect something to understand it, and I almost immediately understand a greaty album now.

This seems like some sort of strange anti-analysis.

sweetSmoke · 08-09-2016, 05:03 PM

From personal experience: I've been trying to play guitar, drums and sing for the last 10 years, I'm nothing special but understand enough about composition, technique, blah, blah... to analyze music on a formal level and have listened to enough diverse stuff to understand stylistic qualities. As far as getting into new genres, to only way that I could do it is by finding something that connected with me on a purely emotional level - that then gave me to drive to understand and explore the technical and stylistic side of it.

JGuy Grungeman · 08-09-2016, 05:12 PM

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This seems like some sort of strange anti-analysis.

The key was getting to the mental point where dissection is instantaneous.

OK, now I'm talking like freakin' Billy the Blue Ranger.

Ninetales · 08-10-2016, 07:48 AM

I guess maybe im not 100% clear on what you mean by "dissection".

Terrapin_Station · 08-10-2016, 07:53 AM

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The challenge is to deactivate the intellectual part of my brain when I compose, as it often gets in the way and goes "hey, you can't do that! THat's too weird!".

I have the opposite challenge. I (still, after years of experience where I should know better) have the tendency to go, "Gah! Don't do that! It's not weird enough."

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You're missing my larger point that judging things by the wrong criteria when analyzing can lead to people misinterpreting what makes something good because it doesn't match up with the arbitrary fixed idea of what's good or isn't. Also, I've already mentioned that it can be helpful for someone who needs to categorize everything, so you continuing to spout off your experience isn't really that relevant.

Sounds like you're an objectivist (at least a bit)?

Re the overall discussion in the last couple pages, I'd agree that there's a different perspective once you've acclimated yourself to a genre a bit (via immersion, as well as reading about it a bit, etc.) than when you first experience it, at least in cases where it's quite unlike anything else you've experienced, but I wouldn't say that there are right or wrong criteria for judging anything, or that anything can be good aside from what people like about it (or bad aside from what they dislike about it).

"Understanding what makes something good," where the person doesn't like the thing in question, reads very funny to me to say the least. Good and bad refer to liking/disliking things, thinking that things are worthwhile for some reason or not worthwhile. They don't obtain outside of that. (Or in more common words, they're subjective, not objective.)

**Frownland** · 08-10-2016, 10:34 AM

Do you mean objectivist like Ayn Rand? I don't need some lofty excuse to be a selfish *******, I just am

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~~MicShazam~~ · 08-10-2016, 10:41 AM

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I have the opposite challenge. I (still, after years of experience where I should know better) have the tendency to go, "Gah! Don't do that! It's not weird enough."

I'd like a slice of your brain operated into mine! Then I wouldn't get stuck for months at a time, doing stuff than I think sounds too banal.

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