Big Four Bands Thread Round 19: Gothic Rock

[Key]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

How is that even stupid? I said I listen to German Rock circa late-60s/70s and Neue Deutsche Welle. I am not against the music. And it's not that I don't understand the definition of the German Rock music. I am against constantly calling Germans "Krauts" which if you not smart enough to know translates as cabbage in English.

I know you will post tl:dr because despite being a writer, you have the reading capacity of a chimpanzee.

First off, don't insult my job. That's just a low blow.

Also, stop taking Kraut literally. You're the moron here, not me.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

How is that even stupid? I said I listen to German Rock circa late-60s/70s and Neue Deutsche Welle. I am not against the music. And it's not that I don't understand the definition of the German Rock music. I am against constantly calling Germans "Krauts" which if you not smart enough to know translates as cabbage in English.

I know you will post tl:dr because despite being a writer, you have the reading capacity of a chimpanzee.

Why are you still trolling now that JGuy is gone? What's the point? Who are you hoping to piss off?

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by Ki

First off, don't insult my job. That's just a low blow.

Also, stop taking Kraut literally. You're the moron here, not me.

I am not criticizing your writing skills. I am criticizing your reading comprehension on the boards, by constantly posting "tl:dr" or twisting a person's position just so you can call them "retarded." And that has nothing to do with you job irl, but how you handle yourself on the boards.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by elphenor

To be fair he's not wrong that the history of calling German bands Krautrock is based in racism from Western Europe, refering to people as vegetables depending on the region is a thing there, but I don't think it left any of them exactly crying

But who ****ing cares? It's almost fifty years after the fact. It's the genre name, and I'm sure it was tongue-in-cheek and not at all meant to be demeaning. It's certainly a funny name, and that's really way more important than anything else.

Besides, Nea isn't here to make legitimate points. He hasn't been notable on this site since he trolled JGuy out of this thread and now he's trying to recapture old glories. Which is pretty sad.

[Frownland]

The Germans ****ing Suck Rock

[Key]

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I am not criticizing your writing skills. I am criticizing your reading comprehension on the boards, by constantly posting "tl:dr" or twisting a person's position just so you can call them "retarded." And that has nothing to do with you job irl, but how you handle yourself on the boards.

Where did I comprehend the wrong thing. You started the argument by stating that Kraut shouldn't be a part of the genre name because it's the same name as lettuce in German. I said you're retarded because I've never heard anybody say that about any genre ever.

The fact that you continue to offer no actual points to your argument but instead insist on pissing people off for no gain is petty.

Also, the fact that you came into plug and booted Batty off the DJ and then left should tell everybody the kind of person you are. People can think you're nice, but you're a ****ing bull****ting *******.

[innerspaceboy]

I lean strongly in the direction of the Berlin School, (which I'll pretentiously call Deutsche elektronische / kosmische musik.) But I can't deny the tremendous importance of Amon Düül II. Besides, how badass do you have to be to have a bassist named Lothar?

I agree that Psy-Fi is spot-on with the essentials -

Originally Posted by Psy-Fi

Amon Düül II
Ash Ra Tempel
Can
Popol Vuh

But off the voting record, I personally prefer any of the various musical incarnations featuring four key musicians:

Hans-Joachim Roedelius
Dieter Möbius
Manuel Göttsching
and Klaus Schulze

[Key]

Originally Posted by elphenor

I had a friend from Germany and he told me every time he heard me say "krautrock" he cringes a bit because referring to Germans as cabbage is indeed a slur and not something you'd do in polite company

Yeah, but genres should never really be taken seriously when we have things like free jazz or afro pop or whatever else. Obviously, genres are not meant to be taken seriously, it's the bands within them that we take seriously.

[innerspaceboy]

Originally Posted by Ki

Yeah, but genres should never really be taken seriously when we have things like free jazz or afro pop or whatever else. Obviously, genres are not meant to be taken seriously, it's the bands within them that we take seriously.

However valid the statement regarding the seriousness of genres names may be, it simply doesn't enter into it. Like it or not, you don't get to decide what is or is not offensive to a culture.

[Key]

Originally Posted by innerspaceboy

However valid the statement regarding the seriousness of genres names may be, it simply doesn't enter into it. Like it or not, you don't get to decide what is or is not offensive to a culture.

I highly doubt Nea takes the offense in the way that a German would.