Politics In Music

Blank. · 05-31-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

So you believe in the police abusing their power? When we go to war because an administration lied about weapons of mass destruction? When we detain anyone we choose at Guantanamo even if they've never been found guilty of anything? You believe in torture, and illegal search and seizure? You don't mind the gross inequalities that currently exist in this country, or the fact that most politicians are bought and paid for by big corporations?

Your'e OK with all of that stuff?

Ummm... This isn't suppose to be a discussion on politics. Just a discussion of what politics in music and what it causes some people to say. But since you want to make it political I will bite.
Morello said that we aren't a free country because people have to work for a living. Huh? That's odd. Cause you don't have to get a job. You don't have do anything. As long as your actions do not infringe upon the rights of someone else you don't have to do a damn thing.
Not to mention the bands hypocrisy. They're millionaires. They have millions of dollars but then they turn around and say that the rich should give there money back to the poor. I don't see them doing that. They protest things that are ridiculous and the things they are against that actually make some sense they do nothing about. like all the stuff you mentioned. They hold a benefit that does nothing for the actual cause and the problem keeps on going and they act like they tried to do something about it. All they did was make some music to bitch about it then keep all there money and go against everything they preached. And what gross inequalities? Everyone in this country is equal. It's illegal to not hire someone because they're black. It's illegal to pay women less then men. The law is at the point where we are the exact same. I am yet to see any situation of gross inequalities in this country in the last twenty years.

Chula Vista · 05-31-2016, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

And what gross inequalities? Everyone in this country is equal. It's illegal to not hire someone because they're black. It's illegal to pay women less then men. The law is at the point where we are the exact same. I am yet to see any situation of gross inequalities in this country in the last twenty years.

Uhm, ok.

William_the_Bloody · 05-31-2016, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

I love a band called Rage Against The Machine. They easily could of been one of my all time favorite bands. There is one issue I have with their music. Their politics. I disagree with them in every way possible when it comes to there politics. Which causes it to be extremely hard for me to listen to one of there albums all the way through. After a bit it starts to feel like they are calling me an idiot for believing in concepts they don't like. I was just curious if anyone else has ever had an experience like this.

I totally get where your coming from, politics is great in music if your a true believer, but otherwise it kind of ruins the music.

When I was a teenager the Dead Kennedys were one of my favourite bands, in part because I loved the sound in the music, but also because they spoke to me as a disenchanted youth.

Today I can't stand listening to them because of the lyrics, and I personally think Jello Biafra is a left wing loonie, wish I had a dad growing up to stear me clear of that garbage.

Zhanteimi · 05-31-2016, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

...wish I had a dad growing up to stear me clear of that garbage.

I hear ya. Same here. No dad growing up to lead me.

DeadChannel · 05-31-2016, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I totally get where your coming from, politics is great in music if your a true believer, but otherwise it kind of ruins the music.

When I was a teenager the Dead Kennedys were one of my favourite bands, in part because I loved the sound in the music, but also because they spoke to me as a disenchanted youth.

Today I can't stand listening to them because of the lyrics, and I personally think Jello Biafra is a left wing loonie, wish I had a dad growing up to stear me clear of that garbage.

Oh come on, you know you still like Plastic Surgery Disasters.

**Janszoon** · 05-31-2016, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I totally get where your coming from, politics is great in music if your a true believer, but otherwise it kind of ruins the music.

When I was a teenager the Dead Kennedys were one of my favourite bands, in part because I loved the sound in the music, but also because they spoke to me as a disenchanted youth.

Today I can't stand listening to them because of the lyrics, and I personally think Jello Biafra is a left wing loonie, wish I had a dad growing up to stear me clear of that garbage.

Interesting. I'm not, and never have been, a super huge DK fan but I still like them—as well as other Jello projects—and I find Jello's lyrics entertaining. For me they've aged well because they're humorous and sarcastic, unlike someone like Zack de la Rocha whose self-righteously earnest lyrics I've come to find more annoying over time.

Blank. · 05-31-2016, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I totally get where your coming from, politics is great in music if your a true believer, but otherwise it kind of ruins the music.

When I was a teenager the Dead Kennedys were one of my favourite bands, in part because I loved the sound in the music, but also because they spoke to me as a disenchanted youth.

Today I can't stand listening to them because of the lyrics, and I personally think Jello Biafra is a left wing loonie, wish I had a dad growing up to stear me clear of that garbage.

It's funny how some of the stuff you like when you're young is in reality terrible. I use to love extreme metal. It was my favorite genre hands down as a teenager. I recently listened to some of it and said to myself, "Why did I like this? It's just an endless series of rolling the bass drum." Maybe that's the cynic in me. Lol. I'm getting off topic. Were the Dead Kennedys for you a band that inspired you at all as well?

William_the_Bloody · 05-31-2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Interesting. I'm not, and never have been, a super huge DK fan but I still like them—as well as other Jello projects—and I find Jello's lyrics entertaining. For me they've aged well because they're humorous and sarcastic, unlike someone like Zack de la Rocha whose self-righteously earnest lyrics I've come to find more annoying over time.

Well, without delving to deep into my personal life, I was indoctrinated to hardcore left wing politics at a very young age (13-14) so there might be some hidden resentment there, as it was primarily my exposure to punk rock that led me down that path.

I still like the music of the Dead Kennedys though, I just don't care for the lyrics.

RoxyRollah · 05-31-2016, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Ummm... This isn't suppose to be a discussion on politics. Just a discussion of what politics in music and what it causes some people to say. But since you want to make it political I will bite.
Morello said that we aren't a free country because people have to work for a living. Huh? That's odd. Cause you don't have to get a job. You don't have do anything. As long as your actions do not infringe upon the rights of someone else you don't have to do a damn thing.
Not to mention the bands hypocrisy. They're millionaires. They have millions of dollars but then they turn around and say that the rich should give there money back to the poor. I don't see them doing that. They protest things that are ridiculous and the things they are against that actually make some sense they do nothing about. like all the stuff you mentioned. They hold a benefit that does nothing for the actual cause and the problem keeps on going and they act like they tried to do something about it. All they did was make some music to bitch about it then keep all there money and go against everything they preached. And what gross inequalities? Everyone in this country is equal. It's illegal to not hire someone because they're black. It's illegal to pay women less then men. The law is at the point where we are the exact same. I am yet to see any situation of gross inequalities in this country in the last twenty years.

The party says there's 5!

**Janszoon** · 05-31-2016, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Morello said that we aren't a free country because people have to work for a living.

He did? I find RATM kind of silly in general but it's hard for me to imagine him saying that. What was the actual quote?