A blank slate

OccultHawk · 02-06-2016, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

^Listened to the track Chula posted, affirmed that it was the same Genesis that I can't stand and went from there. So no, not all the way through.

You're missing out.

**Frownland** · 02-06-2016, 06:53 PM

It's Genesis.

If you say so, I'll put it on the list of "maybe I should give this another shot" though.

OccultHawk · 02-06-2016, 06:55 PM

Have you listened to "Lamb"?

**Frownland** · 02-06-2016, 06:56 PM

That's one of the albums that helped shape my opinion of Genesis.

OccultHawk · 02-06-2016, 07:09 PM

OK

Well, it's no crime to have different tastes.

I think they have really interesting song structures, great musicianship, masterful melodies and harmonies, and a signifying unique sound (that changes from era to era) that can't be replicated. Can you put your finger on what it is you don't like about their music or is it simply not your cup of tea?

**Frownland** · 02-06-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

OK

Well, it's no crime to have different tastes.

I think they have really interesting song structures, great musicianship, masterful melodies and harmonies, and a signifying unique sound (that changes from era to era) that can't be replicated. Can you put your finger on what it is you don't like about their music or is it simply not your cup of tea?

While all of that may be true, especially the musicianship element, their music is just outright boring to me. It sounds uninspired, as if their approach was more along the lines of trying to make something that was 'different' as opposed to making music that's interesting in the slightest. I guess it could be my love for the more dissonant side of things that feeds the loathing.

OccultHawk · 02-06-2016, 07:27 PM

As I think you know, I also love extremely dissonant music. I'm also not saying that even the very best Genesis is beyond criticism. I get where you're coming from. Especially if you look at their stage theatrics compared to the actual sounds that were coming out. From how they were promoting themselves one would expect something like the oddities of early Pink Floyd, to choose an easy example, but in fact they were much more gentle. So you wouldn't be totally off if you considered them poseurs but it still remains true that, to me at least, their music carries a special ambiance that I find unique and pleasing. To me, the good FAR outweighs the bad. I'm a big fan.

Lisnaholic · 02-06-2016, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilistentoeverything

I imagine they would be confused at first, but seeing them hear a piece or song that they find appealing would be cool to see.

^ I agree that something like this would be an excellent choice in Pet's intriguing circumstance, for the kind of reasons that Neapolitan mentions:-.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

The very very first piece that involves a melody I think something that is simple would be better than something complex. I think Gymnopédie No.1 would good choice. Erik Satie spaces his notes where you can enjoy both the sound of the instrument and hear each note follow each other in the melody. I don't know if the person would consider it beautiful, or not.

I would like to add a homely, uplifting element to the gentle classical music that some people are suggesting. How about this accessible song with simple words interplaying with a lone violin ?

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I saw something (doc or a movie) where someone who was completely deaf enjoyed music simply by placing his hands on a speaker cabinet and feeling the vibrations through his fingertips. I think a person (who has a clean slate) would naturally gravitate to something is strong rhythmically, drawing from past experiences of feeling the music. I imagine they could possibly enjoy anything from Baroque to electronica.

^ There's a scene in an old movie about Helen Keller rather like that; she is standing, sad and mystified at a village dance until some wise angel takes her hand and puts it on the wooden body of a fiddle.

EDIT: Or this might make a nice start to a life of listening pleasure:-

Josef K · 02-06-2016, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Suppose a person born deaf is healed. He/she has never heard music in any form and doesn't even have a concept of what it is--a truly blank slate. What is the first piece of music you show him/her? Do you go with something happy? Sad? Cryptic? Simple? Complex?

This is going to come off as (pick one) too "PC", nitpicky, rude, whatever - but could we maybe not talk about situations where a person once was disabled and then was no longer disabled as that person being "healed"?

The Social Model of Disability

Great thread otherwise, not sure what my answer would be though.

DwnWthVwls · 02-06-2016, 10:27 PM

Is cured okay?

02-06-2016, 06:53 PM	#32 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It's Genesis. If you say so, I'll put it on the list of "maybe I should give this another shot" though. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-06-2016, 06:56 PM	#34 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	That's one of the albums that helped shape my opinion of Genesis. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-06-2016, 06:55 PM	#33 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Have you listened to "Lamb"?

02-06-2016, 07:09 PM	#35 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	OK Well, it's no crime to have different tastes. I think they have really interesting song structures, great musicianship, masterful melodies and harmonies, and a signifying unique sound (that changes from era to era) that can't be replicated. Can you put your finger on what it is you don't like about their music or is it simply not your cup of tea?

02-06-2016, 07:27 PM	#37 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	As I think you know, I also love extremely dissonant music. I'm also not saying that even the very best Genesis is beyond criticism. I get where you're coming from. Especially if you look at their stage theatrics compared to the actual sounds that were coming out. From how they were promoting themselves one would expect something like the oddities of early Pink Floyd, to choose an easy example, but in fact they were much more gentle. So you wouldn't be totally off if you considered them poseurs but it still remains true that, to me at least, their music carries a special ambiance that I find unique and pleasing. To me, the good FAR outweighs the bad. I'm a big fan.