Talent

Mondo Bungle · 01-06-2016, 04:42 PM

I reserve the right to believe that if you can make anything to appeal to an audience, you have talent, no matter your skill level

YorkeDaddy · 01-06-2016, 04:47 PM

There are different kinds of talent if you ask me. Talent to play a guitar at a high level (Plankton), talent to write awesome songs (me, Plainview, Plankton, Mondo etc), talent to do whatever the hell it is that Frownland does, etc.

Chula Vista · 01-06-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

I reserve the right to believe that if you can make anything to appeal to an audience, you have talent, no matter your skill level

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

whatever the hell it is that Frownland does, etc.

Glad I'm not the only one that hasn't figured it out yet.

Trollheart · 01-06-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

Well of course, their "craft" is the recreation of music. You kind of just answered your own question with "lovingly interpret".

Yeah but that doesn't cover the guy in an orchestra, one bassoon player or cellist who is basically following direction from a conductor. But if he hits a bum note or plays out of tune, the whole piece suffers. So is he or she talented then? Surely they are, yet they're not creating anything, specifically, at least, anything original.

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

All in all, they know how to play an instrument well, and they know how to write a stand-out song, and not just filler. They've got to show they can do something a little different instead of generic. And if they are generic, they're still talented if they still sound really good. Like Kiss. Talented, generic. That's my def, anyway. Basically, prove that you stand out more. Because musicians that don't stand out in anyway generally aren't something to write home about. Not to say its about popularity. It's the music itself that needs to stand out, not the connection to the media.

Oh, yeah, another form of talent is to immitate someone perfectly while still letting people know its you. A good example is this band called Milk Duct Tape. You can tell its them, but one song from their debut EP sounds exactly like a Stones song. That takes talent.

So you're totally discounting singers who have all their material written for them? Talent = being able to play an instrument? That's a bit narrow. And what about producers who have "the midas touch" and can spot a star when they're still busking for pennies? Surely that takes talent too?

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

In my view they're talented musicians but not composers. idk why they don't choose to be composers. it can't be for lack of skills so it must be they lack the drive to create something of their own. i really don't understand that perspective, i learned how to play guitar to make my own songs not play covers forever.

Frown answered that pretty well. It's different in the world of classical music, where the new is often frowned (sorry man) upon, or at the very least treated with suspicion or even outright contempt.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

For the classical world, it's much much much more difficult to (1) get an people to play your work if you're doing more than solo stuff and (2) get an audience than to just play the classics.

**Frownland** · 01-06-2016, 05:08 PM

The way I see it, if you make music I like I consider you talented.

Mondo Bungle · 01-06-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Glad I'm not the only one that hasn't figured it out yet.

Like I said, if you can attract an audience, you're talented

Chula Vista · 01-06-2016, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Like I said, if you can attract an audience, you're talented

4'33"

Nuff said.

Tristan_Geoff · 01-06-2016, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

The way I see it, if you make music I like I consider you talented.

There you go.

Mondo Bungle · 01-07-2016, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

4'33"

Nuff said.

I'd think it's safe to assume that John Cage was an extraordinarily talented composer.

Chula Vista · 01-07-2016, 09:04 PM

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I'd think it's safe to assume that John Cage was an extraordinarily talented composer.

Damn straight.

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