Talent

Tristan_Geoff · 01-06-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

But how then do you account for the likes of classical pianists or violinists, or those in an orchestra even, who never write their own music (or at least, never perform it in public if they do write it, so it remains unheard which is kind of the same end result) but can lovingly interpret Chopin or Bach or Dvorak? Surely they have to be rated as talented, even if they never created anything themselves?

Well of course, their "craft" is the recreation of music. You kind of just answered your own question with "lovingly interpret".

Carpe Mortem · 01-06-2016, 04:34 PM

I think plenty of 'good' albums lack talent. To me, its an expression of technical skill. If you create something original that's easily replicated, you're not talented, you're creative and enjoyable. Talent is being able to work your instrument to its highest, most complicated parameters. If you can create a piece of art for any person, no matter their preferences, no matter how difficult it may be, you're talented. Otherwise you're just a musician trying to reach others with your own brand.

Which is not a bad thing.

JGuy Grungeman · 01-06-2016, 04:36 PM

All in all, they know how to play an instrument well, and they know how to write a stand-out song, and not just filler. They've got to show they can do something a little different instead of generic. And if they are generic, they're still talented if they still sound really good. Like Kiss. Talented, generic. That's my def, anyway. Basically, prove that you stand out more. Because musicians that don't stand out in anyway generally aren't something to write home about. Not to say its about popularity. It's the music itself that needs to stand out, not the connection to the media.

Oh, yeah, another form of talent is to immitate someone perfectly while still letting people know its you. A good example is this band called Milk Duct Tape. You can tell its them, but one song from their debut EP sounds exactly like a Stones song. That takes talent.

**Janszoon** · 01-06-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What the **** is it exactly? What makes a talented or untalented musician in your eyes?

Discuss

It can mean a lot of things—songwriting ability, proficiency with an instrument or instruments, versatility, ability to improvise, stage presence, etc.

Chula Vista · 01-06-2016, 04:50 PM

It's been diluted with each successive technological advancement that's made making "art" easier.

**Frownland** · 01-06-2016, 04:52 PM

Those damned lyric writing drum machines.

Basil C. Thurston III · 01-06-2016, 04:53 PM

Everyone has some level of "talent"- it's just that some have the ability to take that level higher. There are millions of guitar players in the world- all have talent. But few reach a stratosphere of being able to do things that others cannot. Same with any instrument.

Black Francis · 01-06-2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

But how then do you account for the likes of classical pianists or violinists, or those in an orchestra even, who never write their own music (or at least, never perform it in public if they do write it, so it remains unheard which is kind of the same end result) but can lovingly interpret Chopin or Bach or Dvorak? Surely they have to be rated as talented, even if they never created anything themselves?

In my view they're talented musicians but not composers. idk why they don't choose to be composers. it can't be for lack of skills so it must be they lack the drive to create something of their own. i really don't understand that perspective, i learned how to play guitar to make my own songs not play covers forever.

**Frownland** · 01-06-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis

In my view they're talented musicians but not composers. idk why they don't choose to be composers. it can't be for lack of skills so it must be they lack the drive to create something of their own. i really don't understand that perspective, i learned how to play guitar to make my own songs not play covers forever.

For the classical world, it's much much much more difficult to (1) get an people to play your work if you're doing more than solo stuff and (2) get an audience than to just play the classics.

Chula Vista · 01-06-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Those damned lyric writing drum machines.

Didn't disappoint.

But missed the point.

Wanna smoke a joint?

01-06-2016, 04:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Carpe Mortem Crusher of tiny Nords Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ugly Bag of Mostly Water Posts: 1,363	I think plenty of 'good' albums lack talent. To me, its an expression of technical skill. If you create something original that's easily replicated, you're not talented, you're creative and enjoyable. Talent is being able to work your instrument to its highest, most complicated parameters. If you can create a piece of art for any person, no matter their preferences, no matter how difficult it may be, you're talented. Otherwise you're just a musician trying to reach others with your own brand. Which is not a bad thing. __________________ [SIG][/SIG] Mirth is King Be Loving & Open With My Emotions

01-06-2016, 04:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	It's been diluted with each successive technological advancement that's made making "art" easier. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

01-06-2016, 04:52 PM	#16 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Those damned lyric writing drum machines. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-06-2016, 04:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	All in all, they know how to play an instrument well, and they know how to write a stand-out song, and not just filler. They've got to show they can do something a little different instead of generic. And if they are generic, they're still talented if they still sound really good. Like Kiss. Talented, generic. That's my def, anyway. Basically, prove that you stand out more. Because musicians that don't stand out in anyway generally aren't something to write home about. Not to say its about popularity. It's the music itself that needs to stand out, not the connection to the media. Oh, yeah, another form of talent is to immitate someone perfectly while still letting people know its you. A good example is this band called Milk Duct Tape. You can tell its them, but one song from their debut EP sounds exactly like a Stones song. That takes talent.

01-06-2016, 04:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
Basil C. Thurston III Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 123	Everyone has some level of "talent"- it's just that some have the ability to take that level higher. There are millions of guitar players in the world- all have talent. But few reach a stratosphere of being able to do things that others cannot. Same with any instrument.