A bands expiry date

William_the_Bloody · 10-12-2015, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

AC/DC - For Those About to Rock
Van Halen- 1984
Godflesh- Street Cleaner
Ozzy- Bark at the Moon
Yes- Big Generator

Can't speak for Yes or Godflesh but both AC/DC and Ozzy remained popular until the 90's. The Razor's Edge & No More Tears were huge albums. After that they expired.

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff

Ah. That reminds me of the similar fate Discharge came to. After their second album they started playing glam metal. It really isn't my thing, but it's comparable to when Celtic Frost did a similar album. I've heard people call it more Megadeth than Poison, but it's still an undesirable depature from their proto-crust that most can't deal with it.

Yes Tony Bones left to form Broken Bones and Discharge more or less sold out & died under Tezz's leadership. Strange, as he was the socially conscious one of the group.

Discharge: Expiry Date: After Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing

OccultHawk · 10-12-2015, 02:44 AM

Popular or not, the thrill was gone.

Trollheart · 10-12-2015, 06:11 AM

Asia

Had some great albums in the eighties, changed lineup and released some exceptional albums in the nineties, but I believe that Aura (2000) was their last great one. Even though John Payne remained for one more album (2004's Silent Nation) I felt that was a bit of a damp squib and the albums that came later, despite being okay, were not up to scratch for what I had come to expect from this band. They reached their nadir with XXX I believe, and I have yet to hear their most recent, but for me the glory days are well and truly over.

Fun fact: as soon as they stopped releasing albums whose titles began and ended with A (Aria, Astra, Arena etc) the quality of the music just plummeted. Coincidence?

Asia: Expiry date: after Aura

Pet_Sounds · 10-12-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Josef K

I don't agree with this at all. These are all of the albums from his weak period. The bolded ones are the ones that I would say I like, italicized are the ones that I would say I dislike.

Slow Train Coming
Saved
Shot of Love (can I just bold "Every Grain of Sand"? It's one of his best songs IMO)
Infidels
Empire Burlesque
Knocked Out Loaded
Down in the Groove
Oh Mercy
Under the Red Sky
Good as I Been to You
World Gone Wrong

That's, like, pretty okay! And even if you hate all of those, he's made Time Out of Mind, Love & Theft, Modern Times, and Tempest since then - four albums ranging from "very solid" to "great". I don't think it makes sense to say he's ever been "past his expiration date".

You're right, those are "pretty okay", but I'm not a fan of the four you mentioned, except Tempest. Even that I rarely find myself wanting to hear.

I think I might consider him "expired" because his earlier work is so exceptional, and I hold him to a higher standard.

William_the_Bloody · 10-13-2015, 12:33 AM

Underworld

Like Massive Attack Underworld declines after the departure of a key member; Darren Emerson. Emerson joins for the alubm dubnobasswithmyheadman and they begin to take off peaking sometime around the release of Born Slippy on the Trainspotting soundtrack. They continue to have success with the release of Beaucoup Fish in 1999, shortly after that Emerson leaves, the band returns to being a duo, but never achieves the success they had in the 90's.

Underworld Expiry Date: Sometimes after Beaucoup Fish

Tristan_Geoff · 10-26-2015, 08:50 PM

Another that comes to mind is Bad Religion.

Most in the scene would agree with me when I say that they lost a great deal of steam after Against the Grain, while they did have a few good songs on Empire Strikes Back and various other releases. For the most part, however, it had all been done before, and better, by the band.

rockchalk528808 · 10-30-2015, 08:21 PM

Some bands get worse after they get successful.
I think it was Dee Snider that said it's tough to write songs full of angst when you are sitting by the pool at your huge house.

innerspaceboy · 10-30-2015, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Underworld

Like Massive Attack Underworld declines after the departure of a key member; Darren Emerson. Emerson joins for the alubm dubnobasswithmyheadman and they begin to take off peaking sometime around the release of Born Slippy on the Trainspotting soundtrack. They continue to have success with the release of Beaucoup Fish in 1999, shortly after that Emerson leaves, the band returns to being a duo, but never achieves the success they had in the 90's.

Underworld Expiry Date: Sometimes after Beaucoup Fish

I certainly acknowledge (as any fan will) that Darren Emerson's exit from the group in 2000 marked the end of the Underworld Mk II sound. Dubnobass, Second Toughest, Beaucoup, and the Everything Everything Live albums were a critical period that defined and popularized the band's signature sound with stadium-packing tracks and floor-stomping anthems.

But from A Hundred Days Off onward (the period known as Underworld Mk III), Rick and Karl traded four on the floor anthemic progressive house for more cerebral experimental territory. Meditative pieces like "Ess Gee" and "To Heal" worked quite well in this environment alongside steadier uptempo selections like "Dinosaur Adventure 3D" and "Scribble."

But the duo's most important works are the non-album selections like their art installation work and web releases like I'm A Big Sister, And I'm A Girl, And I'm A Princess And This Is My Horse, Pizza For Eggs, and Lovely Broken Thing give listeners a taste of the more contemplative material that they'll find if they dig deeper than the hits.

Perhaps my favorite track from the nearly 400 Underworld albums, EPs and singles in my catalog is the 2005 "Always Loved a Film" (working title: "Silver Boots") edit broadcast once on 05-19-06 from Lemonworld. The cut is an ambient spoken-word poetry piece combining lyrical fragments from what would become the I'm a Big Sister... web release, the "Silver Boots" demo and musical elements of what would become "Always Loved a Film" on their next record, Barking.

Tracks like these, and Karl's recent collaborations with Brian Eno are far more interesting and artful than the "Lager lager lager..." material from their days with Emerson.

Just my take on it, but the ~300 albums, mixes, singles, and soundtracks that followed Mk II have been arguably their best work to date.

Trollheart · 11-01-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rockchalk528808

Some bands get worse after they get successful.
I think it was Dee Snider that said it's tough to write songs full of angst when you are sitting by the pool at your huge house.

Then just work indoors. Problem solved.

Terrapin_Station · 11-02-2015, 08:06 AM

I don't really agree with the premise of the thread.

I want all of the bands I'm a fan of to keep regularly releasing new material, even decades after their first album. That doesn't always happen.

10-12-2015, 06:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	Asia Had some great albums in the eighties, changed lineup and released some exceptional albums in the nineties, but I believe that Aura (2000) was their last great one. Even though John Payne remained for one more album (2004's Silent Nation) I felt that was a bit of a damp squib and the albums that came later, despite being okay, were not up to scratch for what I had come to expect from this band. They reached their nadir with XXX I believe, and I have yet to hear their most recent, but for me the glory days are well and truly over. Fun fact: as soon as they stopped releasing albums whose titles began and ended with A (Aria, Astra, Arena etc) the quality of the music just plummeted. Coincidence? Asia: Expiry date: after Aura __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Popular or not, the thrill was gone.

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William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	Underworld Like Massive Attack Underworld declines after the departure of a key member; Darren Emerson. Emerson joins for the alubm dubnobasswithmyheadman and they begin to take off peaking sometime around the release of Born Slippy on the Trainspotting soundtrack. They continue to have success with the release of Beaucoup Fish in 1999, shortly after that Emerson leaves, the band returns to being a duo, but never achieves the success they had in the 90's. Underworld Expiry Date: Sometimes after Beaucoup Fish

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Tristan_Geoff midnite roles around Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 5,303	Another that comes to mind is Bad Religion. Most in the scene would agree with me when I say that they lost a great deal of steam after Against the Grain, while they did have a few good songs on Empire Strikes Back and various other releases. For the most part, however, it had all been done before, and better, by the band.

10-30-2015, 08:21 PM	#17 (permalink)
rockchalk528808 Groupie Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 15	Some bands get worse after they get successful. I think it was Dee Snider that said it's tough to write songs full of angst when you are sitting by the pool at your huge house.

11-02-2015, 08:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
Terrapin_Station Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: NYC Man Posts: 877	I don't really agree with the premise of the thread. I want all of the bands I'm a fan of to keep regularly releasing new material, even decades after their first album. That doesn't always happen.