The rise and fall of musical genres

grindy · 08-12-2015, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Jesus Christ. What did you have to gain by reminding me of that monstrosity? You must hate me.

Sharing lessens my pain.
Sorry.

**Frownland** · 08-12-2015, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Nin is still some pretty industrial rock i think

Well I guess you're not that pretentious then, are you?

Mondo Bungle · 08-12-2015, 01:23 AM

Why are they not

**Frownland** · 08-12-2015, 01:34 AM

They suck and they have a pseudo pretension about them (not like the REAL pretension of the greats like SPK and Cabaret Voltaire).

William_the_Bloody · 08-12-2015, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Pretentious Throbbing Gristleheads like myself don't even consider bands like NIN to be industrial music, so maybe you're right on that one if we're going with what's ripping the charts a new one.

However, on folk music, I think that it's too vague of a term to really have a beginning or end. Americana folk music is going to be vastly different from Vietnamese folk music. In a way, you could say that most artists who are clearly passionate about their music make folk music since they are a product of their time whether they like it or not.

Even if you don't take such a liberal definition with folk music, a lot of the alternative music (lol at the genre name btw) have very prominent folk roots from what I've heard (even if the ringleaders suck some serious ass).

Yes I think your right on the money on that one, folk music is probably the hardest to map out, because it's based on cultural nationalities.

I forgot that someone had mapped out the contemporary folk music of the 60's, but despite that, traditional American folk music probably peaked sometime in the 19th century.

I was thinking about that with Irish folk music. Would it's peak have been sometime in the middle ages onward, when minstrels were going around and playing it, or when it became a recording phenomenon with bands like the Clancy Brothers and Wolf Tones?

As for industrial music, yeah another trend I've noticed is that when a music genre hits its peak, is when it really begins to suck (ie punk: Green Day) that being said I much prefer NIN over Throbbing Gristle

Mondo Bungle · 08-12-2015, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They suck and they have a pseudo pretension about them (not like the REAL pretension of the greats like SPK and Cabaret Voltaire).

Dang, I was kinda hoping for an actual, not biased reason

Trollheart · 08-12-2015, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I was thinking about that with Irish folk music. Would it's peak have been sometime in the middle ages onward, when minstrels were going around and playing it, or when it became a recording phenomenon with bands like the Clancy Brothers and Wolf Tones?

I guess as resident Paddy I'll take this on. I'll report back. Just be aware that I will need an expense account: this will involve a LOT of going to Irish trad gigs, ceilis, fleadhs, fairs etc and you just cannot go there and not drink pint after pint of Guinness. They throw you out of the country for rudeness like that!

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Dang, I was kinda hoping for an actual, not biased reason

Maybe you forgot who you were talking to?

**Frownland** · 08-12-2015, 07:29 AM

You guys don't have better beer than Guinness out there? It's probably way better closer to the source than the bottles we drink come to think of it.

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle

Dang, I was kinda hoping for an actual, not biased reason

Nah it still industrial elements, I just hesitate to call them that because their music such a watered down version of the genre. I'd call it pop or alt rock before I'd think about calling it industrial.

Ninetales · 08-12-2015, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I don't think pop music will fade away until we evolve into some higher form of species.

careful runnning into this guy with the thousand foot edge

**Frownland** · 08-12-2015, 09:34 AM

We need pop like AC/DC back in the charts, not this Taylor Swift nonsense. All of her music sounds the same!

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	We need pop like AC/DC back in the charts, not this Taylor Swift nonsense. All of her music sounds the same! __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x