Trollheart

Everybody just STFU. I've done my piece as requested. If William wants to use it fine, if not then that's fine too. I've far too many of your crappy albums to review for Love or Hate, so I'm off...

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Frownland

Chula is that you?

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Trollheart

Wait, what?

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The Batlord

So you admit you were wrong?

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

I hope I don't get to that point where I stop seeking out new music from new bands or artists. Honestly I cannot fathom that version of myself ever coming to be. William seemed to think the same thing, but he's reached that point. I do recall at a Machine Head concert I went to a few months back, I found myself annoyed with those loud, obnoxious people that wanted to be in your face ALL THE DAMN TIME, no sense of respect at all, not to mention they boozed up, some of which were easily 30 or older, me being 28 at the time.

In some ways I might already be morphing in to the type of person William and Wolf described, I could stand to not want to tolerate morons at concerts at the very least, but not giving up seeking out new music to listen to, even if the generation younger than my own is the audience.

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William_the_Bloody

Hmmm, I think if you were in high school during that 30 year period of music from the 70's to 90's, than attitude and heaviness were definitely the generation gap back than, but I think things have changed...

I think the generation gap today is production slickness, as a lot of modern pop music sounds so overproduced it makes me feel nauseous, like if I just ate too much cherry cheese cake, and the underground, which usually pits itself against the mainstream reflects this.

Here's a good example of a band Frownland posted a while back.



I've run across a few bands like this now, and if I grew up in a world where soulless pop & R&B dominated the mainstream, I'd try to find a way to butcher it to.

Now I can digest anything that is heavy (grindcore ect), but this is harder because its more abstract, like Skinny Puppy or Frank Zappa, and at my age I'm not about to replay it ten times in a row until I learn to appreciate it lol. So generation gap.

I think Ninetales also brings up a good point. The amount of young kids that tell me that the music back in the 70's (Pink Floyd, Beatles, Sabbath) is way better than the music today astonishes me.

That being said, I take your point on the tribalism, I can't think of any person over 30 that would want to hang out with pea brain 21 year olds.





It happens, give it 10 more years and you will be there

The Batlord

I read an article a little while back that touched on this. Basically that this generation doesn't really have much to rebel against: our parents and grandparents are former hippies -- or at least don't call us ***gots when we grow out our hair -- we have more technology and consumer products to keep us from concentrating on railing against a system that's more uninspiring than it is repressive, the crazy decades -- from the Depression, to WWII, to Civil Rights and the hippy counterculture, to Vietnam, and all through the Cold War -- are kind of over and our culture is just kind of coasting along on a sea of laziness and indifference.

And so you have kids who are just as happy listening to Led Zeppelin as Lil' Wayne, cause it's not like their parents are these ogres who need to be vilified. TBH, our parents are boring in their casual liberalness. So why not listen to AC/DC and rediscover post-punk?

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Aux-In

Still makes no sense to me. I think it has to have a lot to do with how adamant a lot of kids' parents -- and a lot of middle-aged adults -- really don't like new music at all. So, these kids hear that not only from their parents, but from their brothers and sisters as well, and sometimes their piers. What's even more baffling is the fact that there's more access to new music than ever before. Some of them just say they like all the classic stuff to be cool. Otherwise I don't understand it.

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William_the_Bloody

I read an article recently on the death of youth sub cultures, and how the youth of today, don't really coalesce into uniformed counterculture groups anymore. (rockers, homies, hippies, punks ect)

Your right in that the casual liberalness of parents probably makes it hard for kids to rebel today "Oh you want to be a gangster Jimmy, well ok, just remember that dinner is at 7" lol.

That and we live in a culturally liberal welfare state, it's people who are on the right of the spectrum that are on the fringe now, so unless your going to become some hardcore ultranationalist, and we all know how that ended last time around, it's kind of hard to rebel.

I also think one of the main driving factors is the decline of the music industry with the internet and free downloading, record companies don't have the power and influence they once had culturally, so there is less to rally against.

At the end of the day, the end of youth subcultures isn't a bad thing, it was just a historical phenomenon that students will read in history books a hundred years from now.

The Batlord

As far as the decline in youth musical rebelliousness goes, I think the internet affects them more by how it democratizes music. Hard to get excited by Nirvana when you can find ten million other bands of the same quality or better playing all different types of music.

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