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Frownland 07-01-2015 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1609175)
OK let's call it for Citizen Zombie.
YorkeDaddy, you're up.

Also, anyone else want to sign up?

¿Qué?

Trollheart 07-01-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1609223)
¿Qué?

Sorry, The Pop Group. Got a bit mixed up here.

Moss 07-01-2015 08:26 PM

I say no on Cat

Yes 0
No 1

Pet_Sounds 07-01-2015 08:36 PM

Yes 0
No 2

I like Cat Stevens, but I'm not sure why that album would be considered a classic.

Josef K 07-01-2015 08:41 PM

I'm still struggling here. I like Cat Stevens a lot, but I really don't like misogyny - seriously, "Wild World" is gross. At the same time, I think it is a pretty influential album. I'm leaning towards yes but I'm not going to vote either way yet.

Pet_Sounds 07-01-2015 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1609562)
I'm still struggling here. I like Cat Stevens a lot, but I really don't like misogyny - seriously, "Wild World" is gross. At the same time, I think it is a pretty influential album. I'm leaning towards yes but I'm not going to vote either way yet.

I've always interpreted that song as being father to daughter, which makes it less gross. I have no idea if that's how Stevens meant it, though.

YorkeDaddy 07-01-2015 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds (Post 1609560)
Yes 0
No 2

I like Cat Stevens, but I'm not sure why that album would be considered a classic.

I was wondering the exact same thing when MMM somehow got a 5-1 vote for "yes"

And I have NO idea how someone sees "Wild World" as misogynistic...

Moss 07-01-2015 09:40 PM

I never considered that song misogynistic, just read the lyrics, still don't. Splain?

Josef K 07-01-2015 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1609577)
I was wondering the exact same thing when MMM someone got a 5-1 vote for "yes"

And I have NO idea how someone sees "Wild World" as misogynistic...

It's so condescending, so patronizing. The first couple lines establish pretty clearly that it's about a romantic partner who's breaking up with him - would you really tell your daughter whom you love that "I've lost everything to you" and say she's broken your heart? - and then the rest of the song treats her, yeah, basically like a child. I mean, please. It's about how people are really mean and this poor, pure, innocent woman just doesn't get it, and Cat Stevens is just trying to protect her from the nasty old world. Like, "Hope you make a lot of nice friends out there / Just remember there's a lot, I'd beware," is such an asinine thing to say - she's an adult and can use her own judgment. Clearly she doesn't want to do whatever you say, because she's breaking up with you.

Pet_Sounds's reading of the song - it being targeted at his daughter - is wrong IMO, but in a way it's spot-on because it completely shows what's wrong with it. Like I said, he has this image of her as a child who's unable to take care of herself. That's kind of awful.

Still a really good album though.

YorkeDaddy 07-01-2015 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K (Post 1609590)
It's so condescending, so patronizing. The first couple lines establish pretty clearly that it's about a romantic partner who's breaking up with him - would you really tell your daughter whom you love that "I've lost everything to you" and say she's broken your heart? - and then the rest of the song treats her, yeah, basically like a child. I mean, please. It's about how people are really mean and this poor, pure, innocent woman just doesn't get it, and Cat Stevens is just trying to protect her from the nasty old world. Like, "Hope you make a lot of nice friends out there / Just remember there's a lot, I'd beware," is such an asinine thing to say - she's an adult and can use her own judgment. Clearly she doesn't want to do whatever you say, because she's breaking up with you.

Pet_Sounds's reading of the song - it being targeted at his daughter - is wrong IMO, but in a way it's spot-on because it completely shows what's wrong with it. Like I said, he has this image of her as a child who's unable to take care of herself. That's kind of awful.

Still a really good album though.

Interesting interpretation. I've always felt it was a sort of cocky proclamation that her life will be worse without him, which I never really thought of as misogynistic. I don't know enough about Cat Stevens in general to be able to make a stance on what he was intending with the song


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