What do you hate about [insert genre/subgenre here] and how can we change your mind?

Trollheart · 05-25-2015, 09:37 AM

I know Urban hates these "clone threads", but the original was mine and this widens the scope much further.

What genres/types of music can you not stand, not get into? What stops you? Do you want to try? What would you like to hear, or be told?

I'd ask everyone who wants to participate to be polite and tolerant, and mindful that not everyone likes their music, no matter how much they love it. So no "How can you not like genre X?" or "Genre Y rocks: you're stupid!" types of posts please.

Also, try to take on board what it is someone does not like about your genre and focus on other aspects they may enjoy. For instance, someone saying "I hate prog cos of long keyboard solos" is unlikely to want to hear ELP, Yes or Genesis, whereas maybe something like maybe King Crimsons or Lunatic Soul may be more to their liking. Similarly, someone who hates long songs is not going to be very responsive to, say, "Supper's ready" or "A plague of lighthouse keepers", but they might find something in "Horizons" or "A passage to Bangkok". Try to help, not force someone to enjoy your music.

Personally, hip-hop (formerly rap) has always been a big turn-off for me. As a youth I used to think "What's so great about speaking to music?" A very young and uninformed position, yes, and I've learned over the years that there's far more to it than just talking: there's a fluidity, a flow and a rhythm to how the words are spoken, often almost sung or like recited poetry, and I certainly accept and allow that most rappers are great artistes who are very talented and well respected, and that not everyone can do what they do. In fact, I've seen people try to rap who haven't a clue, and it's painful, so that when you hear a proper rapper the difference is worlds apart.

So what do I still not like about hip-hop? Well, there's the general misogyny in many of the lyrics, the use of expletives, the focus on gang culture, rape and other violent metaphors. There's the fact it seems always to be angry or judgemental (probably with good cause in fairness) and I'm also not a fan of what seems to me to be unimaginative use of keyboards in the music. Also, the fact there is seldom if ever guitar (is there?) in the songs, the overuse of samples, the dearth of ballads (that I know of) and I guess also the general idea that it's hard to understand what they're singing about or put myself in their shoes, since I have no clue about their lives and lifestyles, never even having visited America.

That's probably an oversimplification, but I've listened to one Kanye album and thought it was ok, hated another. I didn't like Kendrick Lamar but could listen to Ce-Lo Green. So maybe there is something in there, some middle ground I'm not aware of, that could work for me.

Personally, I'd prefer if you're going to try to convince me that you use single songs, as my in-tray is very full and I have no time to listen to full albums in the hope I may like them.

Obviously, any number of attempts to convince members can be run at once; if someone want to try to turn me on to hip-hop and someone else is anxious to get into darkwave, for instance, there's no reason these two efforts (or more) can't run concurrently.

So, who wants to try? Or who has issues with what music?

**Janszoon** · 05-25-2015, 09:58 AM

I'm not really a fan of modern R&B. By "modern" I mean 80s through the present. Generally I find the instrumentation to be cheesy, the vocals overwrought, the production bland, and the songwriting flat and boring. I do like some things that modern R&B is related to—such as 50s/60s/70s R&B, hip hop, and acid jazz—so that's a possible inroad for me I guess.

Machine · 05-25-2015, 10:00 AM

Which Kendrick album did you listen to? Because To Pimp A Butterfly was imo an excellent album much better than anything else he has put out.

For me I can't really get into new age music at all. Something about the production style and clean playing makes me bored when litstening to it. Everything about it just makes me stand more adamantly on my position. Besides that I don't really hate any other genres I've tried exploring.

**Janszoon** · 05-25-2015, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Machine

For me I can't really get into new age music at all. Something about the production style and clean playing makes me bored when litstening to it. Everything about it just makes me stand more adamantly on my position. Besides that I don't really hate any other genres I've tried exploring.

I agree that a lot of new age has a really cheesy component to it. You might want to check out some early William Ackerman though. This is from the 70s, so it was a little before new age had the scented candle identity it has now. It's simple, just guitar, and feels a little like classical guitar but with a folk sensibility.

Machine · 05-25-2015, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree that a lot of new age has a really cheesy component to it. You might want to check out some early William Ackerman though. This is from the 70s, so it was a little before new age had the scented candle identity it has now. It's simple, just guitar, and feels a little like classical guitar but with a folk sensibility.

I'll check this out for sure, I've always wanted to find some good in the genre.

Jade_City · 05-25-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I know Urban hates these "clone threads", but the original was mine and this widens the scope much further.

What genres/types of music can you not stand, not get into? What stops you? Do you want to try? What would you like to hear, or be told?

I'd ask everyone who wants to participate to be polite and tolerant, and mindful that not everyone likes their music, no matter how much they love it. So no "How can you not like genre X?" or "Genre Y rocks: you're stupid!" types of posts please.

Also, try to take on board what it is someone does not like about your genre and focus on other aspects they may enjoy. For instance, someone saying "I hate prog cos of long keyboard solos" is unlikely to want to hear ELP, Yes or Genesis, whereas maybe something like maybe King Crimsons or Lunatic Soul may be more to their liking. Similarly, someone who hates long songs is not going to be very responsive to, say, "Supper's ready" or "A plague of lighthouse keepers", but they might find something in "Horizons" or "A passage to Bangkok". Try to help, not force someone to enjoy your music.

Personally, hip-hop (formerly rap) has always been a big turn-off for me. As a youth I used to think "What's so great about speaking to music?" A very young and uninformed position, yes, and I've learned over the years that there's far more to it than just talking: there's a fluidity, a flow and a rhythm to how the words are spoken, often almost sung or like recited poetry, and I certainly accept and allow that most rappers are great artistes who are very talented and well respected, and that not everyone can do what they do. In fact, I've seen people try to rap who haven't a clue, and it's painful, so that when you hear a proper rapper the difference is worlds apart.

So what do I still not like about hip-hop? Well, there's the general misogyny in many of the lyrics, the use of expletives, the focus on gang culture, rape and other violent metaphors. There's the fact it seems always to be angry or judgemental (probably with good cause in fairness) and I'm also not a fan of what seems to me to be unimaginative use of keyboards in the music. Also, the fact there is seldom if ever guitar (is there?) in the songs, the overuse of samples, the dearth of ballads (that I know of) and I guess also the general idea that it's hard to understand what they're singing about or put myself in their shoes, since I have no clue about their lives and lifestyles, never even having visited America.

That's probably an oversimplification, but I've listened to one Kanye album and thought it was ok, hated another. I didn't like Kendrick Lamar but could listen to Ce-Lo Green. So maybe there is something in there, some middle ground I'm not aware of, that could work for me.

Personally, I'd prefer if you're going to try to convince me that you use single songs, as my in-tray is very full and I have no time to listen to full albums in the hope I may like them.

Obviously, any number of attempts to convince members can be run at once; if someone want to try to turn me on to hip-hop and someone else is anxious to get into darkwave, for instance, there's no reason these two efforts (or more) can't run concurrently.

So, who wants to try? Or who has issues with what music?

I hate it when people say there's misogyny in hip-hop, I just think that's such an uninformed opinion though. Spoken word and other hip-hop/rap with a positive message was common, although not entirely as popular as the grittier more violent stuff that hit in the late 80's and early 90's. If you want stuff with a positive message go listen to Main Source or De La Soul. Lupe Fiasco just released an album dealing with social problems in it's entirety. The whole bling era that the genre is associated with is dying out anyway. A lot of hip hop also has decidedly a rather neutral stance in it's lyrics.

To answer your question though, a lot of rock for me is not really my taste. I can't stand metal or anything too noisy, just as you said in another thread you posted. Funk is mainly what I enjoy, for it's melody and infectious groove that isn't too hard on the ears.

Jade_City · 05-25-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree that a lot of new age has a really cheesy component to it. You might want to check out some early William Ackerman though. This is from the 70s, so it was a little before new age had the scented candle identity it has now. It's simple, just guitar, and feels a little like classical guitar but with a folk sensibility.

I get what you mean though, new age has a bit of an old people stigma against it. But actually Kitaro makes some pretty awesome stuff.

Trollheart · 05-25-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Machine

Which Kendrick album did you listen to? Because To Pimp A Butterfly was imo an excellent album much better than anything else he has put out.

For me I can't really get into new age music at all. Something about the production style and clean playing makes me bored when litstening to it. Everything about it just makes me stand more adamantly on my position. Besides that I don't really hate any other genres I've tried exploring.

That one

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I agree that a lot of new age has a really cheesy component to it. You might want to check out some early William Ackerman though. This is from the 70s, so it was a little before new age had the scented candle identity it has now. It's simple, just guitar, and feels a little like classical guitar but with a folk sensibility.

Or you could try some Tom Newman

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Originally Posted by Jade_City

I hate it when people say there's misogyny in hip-hop, I just think that's such an uninformed opinion though. Spoken word and other hip-hop/rap with a positive message was common, although not entirely as popular as the grittier more violent stuff that hit in the late 80's and early 90's. If you want stuff with a positive message go listen to Main Source or De La Soul. Lupe Fiasco just released an album dealing with social problems in it's entirety. The whole bling era that the genre is associated with is dying out anyway. A lot of hip hop also has decidedly a rather neutral stance in it's lyrics.

To answer your question though, a lot of rock for me is not really my taste. I can't stand metal or anything too noisy, just as you said in another thread you posted. Funk is mainly what I enjoy, for it's melody and infectious groove that isn't too hard on the ears.

Admittedly I don't know enough hip-hop to make that assertion, but even the little I've heard has nothing but titties, bitch, ass and that sort of stuff. Certainly sounds misogynist, at least to my inexperienced ear. I mean, you could not say the same about AOR, prog or even funk, but I think if one genre is in the firing line about this it is certainly hip-hop.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-25-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

So what do I still not like about hip-hop? Well, there's the general misogyny in many of the lyrics

Says the guy who listens to metal

Aux-In · 05-25-2015, 11:17 AM

TH, what do you think of these older rap songs?

^^ My fav.

I never seek rap/hip-hop out, but have come across some of them from time to time. I remember liking some Master P as well when he was popular.

05-25-2015, 09:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	What do you hate about [insert genre/subgenre here] and how can we change your mind? I know Urban hates these "clone threads", but the original was mine and this widens the scope much further. What genres/types of music can you not stand, not get into? What stops you? Do you want to try? What would you like to hear, or be told? I'd ask everyone who wants to participate to be polite and tolerant, and mindful that not everyone likes their music, no matter how much they love it. So no "How can you not like genre X?" or "Genre Y rocks: you're stupid!" types of posts please. Also, try to take on board what it is someone does not like about your genre and focus on other aspects they may enjoy. For instance, someone saying "I hate prog cos of long keyboard solos" is unlikely to want to hear ELP, Yes or Genesis, whereas maybe something like maybe King Crimsons or Lunatic Soul may be more to their liking. Similarly, someone who hates long songs is not going to be very responsive to, say, "Supper's ready" or "A plague of lighthouse keepers", but they might find something in "Horizons" or "A passage to Bangkok". Try to help, not force someone to enjoy your music. Personally, hip-hop (formerly rap) has always been a big turn-off for me. As a youth I used to think "What's so great about speaking to music?" A very young and uninformed position, yes, and I've learned over the years that there's far more to it than just talking: there's a fluidity, a flow and a rhythm to how the words are spoken, often almost sung or like recited poetry, and I certainly accept and allow that most rappers are great artistes who are very talented and well respected, and that not everyone can do what they do. In fact, I've seen people try to rap who haven't a clue, and it's painful, so that when you hear a proper rapper the difference is worlds apart. So what do I still not like about hip-hop? Well, there's the general misogyny in many of the lyrics, the use of expletives, the focus on gang culture, rape and other violent metaphors. There's the fact it seems always to be angry or judgemental (probably with good cause in fairness) and I'm also not a fan of what seems to me to be unimaginative use of keyboards in the music. Also, the fact there is seldom if ever guitar (is there?) in the songs, the overuse of samples, the dearth of ballads (that I know of) and I guess also the general idea that it's hard to understand what they're singing about or put myself in their shoes, since I have no clue about their lives and lifestyles, never even having visited America. That's probably an oversimplification, but I've listened to one Kanye album and thought it was ok, hated another. I didn't like Kendrick Lamar but could listen to Ce-Lo Green. So maybe there is something in there, some middle ground I'm not aware of, that could work for me. Personally, I'd prefer if you're going to try to convince me that you use single songs, as my in-tray is very full and I have no time to listen to full albums in the hope I may like them. Obviously, any number of attempts to convince members can be run at once; if someone want to try to turn me on to hip-hop and someone else is anxious to get into darkwave, for instance, there's no reason these two efforts (or more) can't run concurrently. So, who wants to try? Or who has issues with what music? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	I'm not really a fan of modern R&B. By "modern" I mean 80s through the present. Generally I find the instrumentation to be cheesy, the vocals overwrought, the production bland, and the songwriting flat and boring. I do like some things that modern R&B is related to—such as 50s/60s/70s R&B, hip hop, and acid jazz—so that's a possible inroad for me I guess. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

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Machine moon lake inc. Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Detroit Posts: 2,125	Which Kendrick album did you listen to? Because To Pimp A Butterfly was imo an excellent album much better than anything else he has put out. For me I can't really get into new age music at all. Something about the production style and clean playing makes me bored when litstening to it. Everything about it just makes me stand more adamantly on my position. Besides that I don't really hate any other genres I've tried exploring. __________________ boost my ego listen to me stroke my delay pedal ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither.

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Aux-In Wrinkled Magazine Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: In Time Posts: 467	TH, what do you think of these older rap songs? ^^ My fav. I never seek rap/hip-hop out, but have come across some of them from time to time. I remember liking some Master P as well when he was popular. __________________ Reviews l YouTube Playlist: Another Dimension "All over a bowl of bitter beans."