The Wrong Generation Argument, Does it really matter?

ZRFTS · 05-22-2015, 10:40 AM

Yes, I think music was better because there wasn't as much corporate influence but then again... society hasn't really changed. We haven't radically changed our way of life, we've had computers yes; we treat other races differently yes but what's different about the 50's compared to 2015 except the music?

People often want to be a part of something but then again, there are tons of things you can be a part of; so what if you weren't a part of The Beatles. There will always be a festival or a band that'll grasp it's influence over the world. You don't have to be there or even have met one of the Beatles; all you have to do is take what they provided and make it into your own.

People often want to seem cool by dejecting the new music; I do admit that the new music isn't as appealing but that's only because of laziness. People don't put as much effort into things to create a unique sound that sticks within people's minds; they take electronics for granted. Electronics can do amazing things, so can guitars and pianos. Even dubstep can sound incredible if certain people thought outside the box. I think the music people have assumed that people don't even care anymore; that is incorrect. I think the musicians need to realize that it's effort that causes people to like musicians.

Also people need to find better ways of being cool, be yourself; don't follow. The Wrong Generation isn't even original anymore, it's more like a bulletin point for defining yourself.

I'm waiting for the point in time where things suddenly change and we wouldn't have this corporate saturated era but alas, we have The Wrong Generation.

Also those who focus on the whole "digital sales going up, CD sales going down" are not looking at the whole picture. Whole picture being licensing deals for older artists, promotion to get the word out, radio control (including YouTube, Pandora, Spotify) and indie label distribution. I get that they make things easier but take ever Bandcamp artist that should be more popular then they are; it would be much easier if we didn't have this major label stuff.

Jade_City · 05-24-2015, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRFTS

Yes, I think music was better because there wasn't as much corporate influence but then again... society hasn't really changed. We haven't radically changed our way of life, we've had computers yes; we treat other races differently yes but what's different about the 50's compared to 2015 except the music?

People often want to be a part of something but then again, there are tons of things you can be a part of; so what if you weren't a part of The Beatles. There will always be a festival or a band that'll grasp it's influence over the world. You don't have to be there or even have met one of the Beatles; all you have to do is take what they provided and make it into your own.

People often want to seem cool by dejecting the new music; I do admit that the new music isn't as appealing but that's only because of laziness. People don't put as much effort into things to create a unique sound that sticks within people's minds; they take electronics for granted. Electronics can do amazing things, so can guitars and pianos. Even dubstep can sound incredible if certain people thought outside the box. I think the music people have assumed that people don't even care anymore; that is incorrect. I think the musicians need to realize that it's effort that causes people to like musicians.

Also people need to find better ways of being cool, be yourself; don't follow. The Wrong Generation isn't even original anymore, it's more like a bulletin point for defining yourself.

I'm waiting for the point in time where things suddenly change and we wouldn't have this corporate saturated era but alas, we have The Wrong Generation.

Also those who focus on the whole "digital sales going up, CD sales going down" are not looking at the whole picture. Whole picture being licensing deals for older artists, promotion to get the word out, radio control (including YouTube, Pandora, Spotify) and indie label distribution. I get that they make things easier but take ever Bandcamp artist that should be more popular then they are; it would be much easier if we didn't have this major label stuff.

Oh look, another person who has no idea what the hell they're saying.

**Frownland** · 05-24-2015, 01:37 PM

I tend to only care about my opinion if I'm the first one to have that opinion. Instead of saying I'm from the wrong generation I say I'm from the wrong planet.

Oh wait: Sun Ra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

grtwhtgrvty · 05-24-2015, 08:03 PM

This is such an ignorant thread.

This generation is more DIY than any of the other generations. This is literally the generation where the mainstream corporations have the least influence and the least draw. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, the corporations and record labels decided who became famous, what you heard, what became famous, etc.

Now we have kickstarter. We have DIY. We have DAWs. We have platforms for people to express and promote themsleves.

You are so ****ing beyond ignorant. I am so tired of coming onto this forum and having to correct someone who thinks this exact thing. Every single day there is someone new making this identical thread and I just don't have the energy to write an essay as to why they are wrong so I'm just going to say flat out that you are wrong and you are out of touch and you have no idea what you are talking about even remotely.

Why do so many of you speak without even remotely thinking? Why do you have opinions that aren't even remotely based in logic or reality or any level of rationality whatsoever. Literally how do you even draw these conclusions?

The mainstream hasn't changed at all. The alternative, experimental scene has only gotten bigger, and over time, pushed the mainstream further and further into irrelevancy. It's so blatantly obvious and I have no idea why so many of you need to have this spelled out for you to understand it.

Educate yourself before you make threads so you don't end up looking stupid.

You think society hasn't changed but society has changed, drastically, and the methods that we express fringe art has changed drastically. You're delusional if you think that music in the 60s/70s/etc wasn't corporate as ****. It was way more corporate than it is now, that's 100% for sure.

**Janszoon** · 05-24-2015, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty

This is such an ignorant thread.

This generation is more DIY than any of the other generations. This is literally the generation where the mainstream corporations have the least influence and the least draw. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, the corporations and record labels decided who became famous, what you heard, what became famous, etc.

Now we have kickstarter. We have DIY. We have DAWs. We have platforms for people to express and promote themsleves.

You are so ****ing beyond ignorant. I am so tired of coming onto this forum and having to correct someone who thinks this exact thing. Every single day there is someone new making this identical thread and I just don't have the energy to write an essay as to why they are wrong so I'm just going to say flat out that you are wrong and you are out of touch and you have no idea what you are talking about even remotely.

Why do so many of you speak without even remotely thinking? Why do you have opinions that aren't even remotely based in logic or reality or any level of rationality whatsoever. Literally how do you even draw these conclusions?

The mainstream hasn't changed at all. The alternative, experimental scene has only gotten bigger, and over time, pushed the mainstream further and further into irrelevancy. It's so blatantly obvious and I have no idea why so many of you need to have this spelled out for you to understand it.

Educate yourself before you make threads so you don't end up looking stupid.

You think society hasn't changed but society has changed, drastically, and the methods that we express fringe art has changed drastically. You're delusional if you think that music in the 60s/70s/etc wasn't corporate as ****. It was way more corporate than it is now, that's 100% for sure.

Knock it off with the insults. Argue with points being made, don't engage in personal attacks.

grtwhtgrvty · 05-24-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Knock it off with the insults. Argue with points being made, don't engage in personal attacks.

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...lain-me-4.html

**Janszoon** · 05-24-2015, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...lain-me-4.html

Thanks for the random page link. Now knock it off with the insults.

grtwhtgrvty · 05-24-2015, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Thanks for the random page link. Now knock it off with the insults.

Wasn't random.

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and disregarding the pointlessness of your post, continuing as I was regardless of what you say.

**Janszoon** · 05-24-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty

Wasn't random.

It sure looks that way.

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and disregarding the pointlessness of your post, continuing as I was regardless of what you say.

Refusal to stop insulting people noted. Enjoy your time off.

Trollheart · 05-25-2015, 06:21 AM

I would have to say that has to win the prize for Most Stupid Post of the Month! To say to a mod (especially a lenient one like Jansz) essentially "**** you, I'll do what I want!" If he'd said that to Urban I doubt we'd ever see him again. Dickhead.

Incidentally, in case you were unaware Jansz I think he was pointing to the flamewar between YorkeDaddy and Black Francis in that thread. But two wrongs don't make a right. I think he got away very lightly. If I'd been a mod I would have found it hard to show that sort of restraint. Guess that's why I'm not one.

05-22-2015, 10:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
ZRFTS Groupie Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 39	The Wrong Generation Argument, Does it really matter? Yes, I think music was better because there wasn't as much corporate influence but then again... society hasn't really changed. We haven't radically changed our way of life, we've had computers yes; we treat other races differently yes but what's different about the 50's compared to 2015 except the music? People often want to be a part of something but then again, there are tons of things you can be a part of; so what if you weren't a part of The Beatles. There will always be a festival or a band that'll grasp it's influence over the world. You don't have to be there or even have met one of the Beatles; all you have to do is take what they provided and make it into your own. People often want to seem cool by dejecting the new music; I do admit that the new music isn't as appealing but that's only because of laziness. People don't put as much effort into things to create a unique sound that sticks within people's minds; they take electronics for granted. Electronics can do amazing things, so can guitars and pianos. Even dubstep can sound incredible if certain people thought outside the box. I think the music people have assumed that people don't even care anymore; that is incorrect. I think the musicians need to realize that it's effort that causes people to like musicians. Also people need to find better ways of being cool, be yourself; don't follow. The Wrong Generation isn't even original anymore, it's more like a bulletin point for defining yourself. I'm waiting for the point in time where things suddenly change and we wouldn't have this corporate saturated era but alas, we have The Wrong Generation. Also those who focus on the whole "digital sales going up, CD sales going down" are not looking at the whole picture. Whole picture being licensing deals for older artists, promotion to get the word out, radio control (including YouTube, Pandora, Spotify) and indie label distribution. I get that they make things easier but take ever Bandcamp artist that should be more popular then they are; it would be much easier if we didn't have this major label stuff.

05-24-2015, 01:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I tend to only care about my opinion if I'm the first one to have that opinion. Instead of saying I'm from the wrong generation I say I'm from the wrong planet. Oh wait: Sun Ra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-24-2015, 08:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
grtwhtgrvty jiojoijoi Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 398	This is such an ignorant thread. This generation is more DIY than any of the other generations. This is literally the generation where the mainstream corporations have the least influence and the least draw. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, the corporations and record labels decided who became famous, what you heard, what became famous, etc. Now we have kickstarter. We have DIY. We have DAWs. We have platforms for people to express and promote themsleves. You are so **ing beyond ignorant. I am so tired of coming onto this forum and having to correct someone who thinks this exact thing. Every single day there is someone new making this identical thread and I just don't have the energy to write an essay as to why they are wrong so I'm just going to say flat out that you are wrong and you are out of touch and you have no idea what you are talking about even remotely. Why do so many of you speak without even remotely thinking? Why do you have opinions that aren't even remotely based in logic or reality or any level of rationality whatsoever. Literally how do you even draw these conclusions? The mainstream hasn't changed at all. The alternative, experimental scene has only gotten bigger, and over time, pushed the mainstream further and further into irrelevancy. It's so blatantly obvious and I have no idea why so many of you need to have this spelled out for you to understand it. Educate yourself before you make threads so you don't end up looking stupid. You think society hasn't changed but society has changed, drastically, and the methods that we express fringe art has changed drastically. You're delusional if you think that music in the 60s/70s/etc wasn't corporate as *. It was way more corporate than it is now, that's 100% for sure. Last edited by grtwhtgrvty; 05-24-2015 at 08:12 PM.*

05-25-2015, 06:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	I would have to say that has to win the prize for Most Stupid Post of the Month! To say to a mod (especially a lenient one like Jansz) essentially "**** you, I'll do what I want!" If he'd said that to Urban I doubt we'd ever see him again. Dickhead. Incidentally, in case you were unaware Jansz I think he was pointing to the flamewar between YorkeDaddy and Black Francis in that thread. But two wrongs don't make a right. I think he got away very lightly. If I'd been a mod I would have found it hard to show that sort of restraint. Guess that's why I'm not one. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018