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True, I guess I see them a lot differently because Drone sounds so much less abrasive while still retaining all the juicy little pleasant details that innerspaceboy was describing

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Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1593275)

To offer a pragmatic restructuring of Black's comment, I believe he was addressing the fact that one of the prominent characteristics of much of the noise genre is that it readily lends itself to consideration and reflection.

The sonic properties of many noise compositions invite the listener to consciously detect particular nuances and structures within the "noise" in an effort to formulate concrete, critical perceptions from the otherwise superficial chaos of the piece. This characteristic often attracts the sort of listener who enjoys this sort of analysis and deconstruction.

Yes, this was my ignorant point but you phrased it alot more elegantly. :thumb:

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1593283)

Really, I don't fancy the genre very much, but I remember this one song that I stumbled upon that left an impression on me. Even though it was fairly simple, it kind of sounded to me like the inside of a house, with a few creaks here and there, while some kind of storm was going on outside. Through it all, there was this steady sort of sound, patterned almost as if something was dripping down. It could have just been a leak in the ceiling, but I kept imagining that it was blood, falling to the floor. So yeah, I don't listen to Noise/Drone music very often, and abstract music isn't my favorite type, but it's fun to enjoy every now and then. A different kind of experience than the more traditional types of music, you know?

That sounds really interesting. Like I think I said (my posts have got a little lost in the flamewar between Yorkie and Francie) I certainly listen to some noise; after all, a lot of electronic music is quite --- what's the word? --- unmelodious? No that's not it. But look at --- and I know it's not the same --- the very opening to Floyd's "Welcome to the machine". I could listen to that (the bit before the bass and the music comes in) easily enough. It's when it's harsh, scratchy, almost violent and seemingly formless and pointless (to me) noise that I find it hard to understand how anyone can listen to it and get anything from it, though obviously a lot of people do.

Innerspaceboy, have you listened to Merzbow I wonder? I'd be interested in your critical take on his approach.

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1593286)

Noise and Drone are totally different though, I don't like Noise at all but I love Drone

They can definately cross over though. A lot of drone can be pretty noisy too.

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Originally Posted by Machine (Post 1593302)

They can definately cross over though. A lot of drone can be pretty noisy too.

Also true

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Originally Posted by EPOCH6 (Post 1592353)

He's not being narrow minded he's asking us to help him understand, he wants to see the appeal.

I've always found the easiest way to explain experimental abrasive styles is by comparing them to horror films, or more so smut / gore films. For a lot of us it isn't about "enjoying" the music in a conventional sense, it's about the experience and impact, visceral emotion, letting the sound get under your skin. When you watch a gore film and feel repulsed, disgusted, and uncomfortable, the film has done its job. Sometimes we don't want to feel good, we just want to feel something intense, that's what extreme music acheives, it stirs up an intense feeling, whether that's being overwhelmed with confusion, getting pumped up, or feeling terrified, disgusted, unsettled, or claustrophobic. People don't go to haunted houses to feel good, they go to feel that visceral rush of terror, its exciting but not happy, people generally don't go to noise music to be impressed musically or feel good, they go to feel something extreme and intense. If you don't welcome those sorts of emotions into your head it's perfectly reasonable that you don't enjoy the music that conjures up those feelings.

I think you probably explained this the best way. I like a lot of musique concrete, which is basically experimental. I love how they take strange things and mold it into a weird piece of listening. It's unique and different. Francis Dhomont is one of the best.

Some of the harsher and sounds that can be also considered Rhythmic Noise can also be a a fetish to some. Just throwing this thought out especially as it can be a perfect soundtrack to BDSM especially as it's the noise generating part of the effect. I also view Rhythmic Noise is something of an Anti-Social Dance Music - an unleashing of anger in a creative way.

Of course, you could call it sounds for serious Anti-Socials who want to have a "Me Vs. Them" Wall of Sound, but I wanted to view it on a more creative side.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1598056)

LOL @ Steely Dan @ :52.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1598061)

LOL @ Steely Dan @ :52.

That's just wrong. Funny, but wrong.