Love or Hate?

YorkeDaddy · 06-26-2015, 03:07 PM

The Antlers - Familiars

TechnicLePanther · 06-26-2015, 03:09 PM

Tool - Lateralus. If you've already heard it then let me give you a different one.

Trollheart · 06-26-2015, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Is it just me or, now that I have my own thread, is TH being more blunt with his hate than before?

It's just you.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I think you forgot to add this one to the list. Feel free to swap this with Citizen Zombie (if you're a pussy).

The list has to be fully updated.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

He also left out my Replacements rec.

As above.

One more rec to go before we close...

Trollheart · 06-26-2015, 03:34 PM

@ Frownland, without fighting with you I would like to say this: I've listened to (even if I've pretty much hated) everything you've thrown at me, and if you can go on at length about how some guy banging two cups together while another yodels the Canadian national anthem backwards in Swahili is music, then why is it you can't acknowledge the intricacy of a Mark Kelley keyboard solo, the haunting quality of a Steve Rothery guitar interlude or even the fragile beauty of Hogarth's vocals? Why is it you refuse to rate Marillion when they quite obviously make music (perhaps music you don't like but still) when I'm being so open-minded here?

The question I have to ask now, is this: are you becoming the new Trollheart?

**Frownland** · 06-26-2015, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

@ Frownland, without fighting with you I would like to say this: I've listened to (even if I've pretty much hated) everything you've thrown at me, and if you can go on at length about how some guy banging two cups together while another yodels the Canadian national anthem backwards in Swahili is music, then why is it you can't acknowledge the intricacy of a Mark Kelley keyboard solo, the haunting quality of a Steve Rothery guitar interlude or even the fragile beauty of Hogarth's vocals? Why is it you refuse to rate Marillion when they quite obviously make music (perhaps music you don't like but still) when I'm being so open-minded here?

The question I have to ask now, is this: are you becoming the new Trollheart?

What? I've heard their music and it's music that I don't like. You can be as intricate as all hell and still have a ****ty outcome. Not all of their stuff makes me want to stab my eardrums out tbh, Chula played part of one of their albums that wasn't horrible but still pretty meh.

Trollheart · 06-26-2015, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

What? I've heard their music and it's music that I don't like. You can be as intricate as all hell and still have a ****ty outcome. Not all of their stuff makes me want to stab my eardrums out tbh, Chula played part of one of their albums that wasn't horrible but still pretty meh.

Which one?
But you see, if that's your take on Marillion why are you surprised at how I receive your John Cage/Zorn etc? Like, I don't feel that's music I like, and yet you kind of look down on me for not liking it. But it just proves that not everyone will like everything you do. I would be really happy if you would take the time to listen to one Marillion album, just so I could hear your thoughts on it. I know I'm a prog head and so it's inevitable I would like them, but I don't honestly think they've released one bad album (other than Somewhere else) and I'd be interested as to where your dislike of them stems from? People here are always asking me "But why don't you like, say, Throbbing Gristle?" and then laughing about how I can't appreciate this kind of music. So, what is it that you don't like about Marillion? Seriously? The lyrics? The long keyboard solos? The vocals? Non-usage of oud, saz or Norwegian nose flute? I'd really like to know.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I think after what I've listened to from you you owe me more of an insight than just "They're crap."

**Goofle** · 06-26-2015, 03:56 PM

EL-P - Fantastic Damage

**** it.

**Frownland** · 06-26-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Which one?
But you see, if that's your take on Marillion why are you surprised at how I receive your John Cage/Zorn etc? Like, I don't feel that's music I like, and yet you kind of look down on me for not liking it. But it just proves that not everyone will like everything you do. I would be really happy if you would take the time to listen to one Marillion album, just so I could hear your thoughts on it. I know I'm a prog head and so it's inevitable I would like them, but I don't honestly think they've released one bad album (other than Somewhere else) and I'd be interested as to where your dislike of them stems from? People here are always asking me "But why don't you like, say, Throbbing Gristle?" and then laughing about how I can't appreciate this kind of music. So, what is it that you don't like about Marillion? Seriously? The lyrics? The long keyboard solos? The vocals? Non-usage of oud, saz or Norwegian nose flute? I'd really like to know.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I think after what I've listened to from you you owe me more of an insight than just "They're crap."

It was Script for a Jester's Tear. I don't look down on you for your taste, I'm sorry if you take it that way. Sometimes you do surprise me with some of your verdicts based off of what you've liked before in this thread. I do kind of disagree with your verdict on Masada Guitars because the only thing it seems you didn't really like about it was the length. Based off of that review you would adore the album, but only in small doses.

From what I've heard of Marillion, I don't like them because their music is bloated and full of itself. Their songwriting doesn't impress me and it puts me to sleep. I guess their singer isn't bad, but he's still keeping up with the rest of the band by avoiding doing anything interesting. Lastly:

My first exposure to them was through you when you had put them up against It Bites in some album battles thread. I thought that both were atrocious tbh and that's what's kept me going all this time. I'm a little lighter on them these days now that I know some of their music is just painstakingly boring as opposed to awful, but I'm still no Marillion fan man, nor will I ever be.

Machine · 06-26-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

EL-P - Fantastic Damage

**** it.

Oh boy. This could be bad, or maybe not who knows.

**Frownland** · 06-26-2015, 04:19 PM

I know. And your assessment is correct.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	@ Frownland, without fighting with you I would like to say this: I've listened to (even if I've pretty much hated) everything you've thrown at me, and if you can go on at length about how some guy banging two cups together while another yodels the Canadian national anthem backwards in Swahili is music, then why is it you can't acknowledge the intricacy of a Mark Kelley keyboard solo, the haunting quality of a Steve Rothery guitar interlude or even the fragile beauty of Hogarth's vocals? Why is it you refuse to rate Marillion when they quite obviously make music (perhaps music you don't like but still) when I'm being so open-minded here? The question I have to ask now, is this: are you becoming the new Trollheart? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I know. And your assessment is correct. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x