Trollheart

Pretty much what CN says: I have nothing against electronic music (I know but little of it but do like a lot of it) but the original contention was something along the lines of you need talent to make music, and Waits certainly has it in spades. The fact that he uses so few instruments here is I think evidence that you can create something really amazing with very little technology, which is not to put down electronic music, because then you have this, which could not really be created WITHOUT technology and is a real example of someone pushing the envelope of the time to make new sounds and effects with what would have been at the time pretty basic synthesising techniques.

Anyway, don't get all snippy on me. Seems like you're not so much interested in discussing as arguing. I'm not getting drawn into that, just responding to the main point, the OP in which the question is posed as to whether there are any new innovations being made in music these days. I think there are, and while Waits would not be one who would naturally be at the top of everyone's to-listen list, his music illustrates the point quite well I feel.

Course if all you want to do is fight, I'll send Batty your way.

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grtwhtgrvty

Your post was irrelevant as **** and I figured it was a jibe at electronic music because of how irrelevant it was. I now see that you were just being irrelevant, so good for you, I guess. Yes Tom Waits is talented. We all know that. Sometimes less is more, but less has nothing to do with technology. It's a matter of aesthetic. You could say, based on the nuance of the Tom Waits track, there's actually a lot more happening in that than a great deal of electronic music. Less and more have nothing to do with the medium you use. It's a matter of composition and texture and aesthetic. Electronic music is actually the most capable of minimalism because you can literally create music without nuance. Listening to that Tom Waits track, I actually feel like I hear a /great deal/ of production going on. Like serious amounts of panning going on. This actually seems more technology driven than non-technology, soooooo. Idk the track was an awesome example of what technology is capable of.

So you're right. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes more and more. It has nothing to do with technology. Less or more is a matter of aesthetic.

Stop saying things like this. Don't downgrade their musical talent to "oh they must have been tripping lol." It's and ignorant thing to say. That seems to be your motif -- speaking ignorantly of things you know little to nothing about.