I agree, let's see if you do...

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 04-20-2015, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

I like Filter. We'll leave it at that.

And can we sort of move away from comments like this Frown? I'm so burnt out on reading them, and I think I'm getting a headache from reading over and over who doesn't like Filter.

This guy gets it. We can move on lol.

DeadChannel · 04-20-2015, 01:05 AM

I think Frownland makes a good point, though. There's nothing wrong with the fact that bands like Filter make music that is fundamentally uncomplex as long as you enjoy it. However, when you're using simplicity w/r/t the amount of work that goes into creation as a criticism against electronic music, there's a bit of a double standard.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 04-20-2015, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel

I think Frownland makes a good point, though. There's nothing wrong with the fact that bands like Filter make music that is fundamentally uncomplex as long as you enjoy it. However, when you're using simplicity w/r/t the amount of work that goes into creation as a criticism against electronic music, there's a bit of a double standard.

I see, I see. Makes enough sense.

**Frownland** · 04-20-2015, 08:22 AM

Ja, DaedChannel's got it right. I wasn't even saying my opinion on Filter tbh, their music just doesn't sound like they worked all that hard on it to me. Nirvana's in the same boat (even though I do dig them, as opposed to Filter). I think that the outcome of the music is more important than the process it was created in. The creation process can be interesting if the artist takes a different approach (modern classical really comes to mind here), but all in all its the end result that counts.

I'll toss you a pm with some links later today.

**Janszoon** · 04-20-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Every single one of those were weird as hell to listen to, but oddly fun and enjoyable. That third one though had me a little worried, like wtf?

I'm glad you enjoyed listening to them.

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

To me it matters how much effort someone puts in to making their music. I think I'm being a bit tough on electronic 'musicians' by claiming it's lazy. But I'll take everyone's word that it's a lot better than I think and there's more to it, so send those recs and I'll pick through them.

I think when you listen to something like the Igorrr track I posted it's very apparent that a lot of time and effort was involved in its creation. To me, the great thing about electronic music is all the possibilities it opens up. It allows talented people to push the envelope and do things in new and exciting ways.

Mondo Bungle · 04-20-2015, 07:05 PM

I don't even know how you'd go about making a track like this

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2015, 07:46 PM

Basic music theory and a soundboard with 100s of electronic sounds? Is there something more going on that maybe I just don't understand?

**Frownland** · 04-20-2015, 07:49 PM

Why would you need music theory for that? I don't think they're popping in sounds and going "ja that's cool," it's probably more along the lines of manipulating certain samples and arranging them. Maybe if I had the technology to do it I could, but I'm of the same opinion as Mondo on this one.

Trollheart · 04-21-2015, 06:03 AM

I feel I must throw this in, not as an example of electronic music because it's not, but as an idea of what you can do with very little real technology but a whole shedload of talent and inspiration, and allowing the listener to almost fill in the gaps...

grtwhtgrvty · 04-21-2015, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I feel I must throw this in, not as an example of electronic music because it's not, but as an idea of what you can do with very little real technology but a whole shedload of talent and inspiration, and allowing the listener to almost fill in the gaps...

What does this have to do with what we are discussing?

04-20-2015, 08:22 AM	#84 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Ja, DaedChannel's got it right. I wasn't even saying my opinion on Filter tbh, their music just doesn't sound like they worked all that hard on it to me. Nirvana's in the same boat (even though I do dig them, as opposed to Filter). I think that the outcome of the music is more important than the process it was created in. The creation process can be interesting if the artist takes a different approach (modern classical really comes to mind here), but all in all its the end result that counts. I'll toss you a pm with some links later today. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-20-2015, 07:49 PM	#88 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Why would you need music theory for that? I don't think they're popping in sounds and going "ja that's cool," it's probably more along the lines of manipulating certain samples and arranging them. Maybe if I had the technology to do it I could, but I'm of the same opinion as Mondo on this one. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-21-2015, 06:03 AM	#89 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	I feel I must throw this in, not as an example of electronic music because it's not, but as an idea of what you can do with very little real technology but a whole shedload of talent and inspiration, and allowing the listener to almost fill in the gaps... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

04-20-2015, 01:05 AM	#82 (permalink)
DeadChannel Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 1,259	I think Frownland makes a good point, though. There's nothing wrong with the fact that bands like Filter make music that is fundamentally uncomplex as long as you enjoy it. However, when you're using simplicity w/r/t the amount of work that goes into creation as a criticism against electronic music, there's a bit of a double standard.