CoNtrivedNiHilism

Uh oh...he's barking up Trollhearts tree. But I believe Trollheart is just making a point about how sometimes less is so much more, especially when who makes the music is brilliant, or talented.

Awesome track by the way, Trollheart. Really see what you mean.

And your track was interesting Mondo. I was scratching my head wondering what the dude (or dudes) were on when they did that.

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Trollheart

Pretty much what CN says: I have nothing against electronic music (I know but little of it but do like a lot of it) but the original contention was something along the lines of you need talent to make music, and Waits certainly has it in spades. The fact that he uses so few instruments here is I think evidence that you can create something really amazing with very little technology, which is not to put down electronic music, because then you have this, which could not really be created WITHOUT technology and is a real example of someone pushing the envelope of the time to make new sounds and effects with what would have been at the time pretty basic synthesising techniques.

Anyway, don't get all snippy on me. Seems like you're not so much interested in discussing as arguing. I'm not getting drawn into that, just responding to the main point, the OP in which the question is posed as to whether there are any new innovations being made in music these days. I think there are, and while Waits would not be one who would naturally be at the top of everyone's to-listen list, his music illustrates the point quite well I feel.

Course if all you want to do is fight, I'll send Batty your way.

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EPOCH6

I swear you started a thread quite similar to this a while ago, and we actually found some common ground in the discussion, but it seems like in the meantime you've reverted back.
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...g-music-2.html

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CoNtrivedNiHilism

Frick...

No, you're right. This was more just seeing what people would say to what Richard spoke of in the video, but it just so happened to take that turn to what the thread you linked to of mine, was speaking about. Still. I think the two threads are similar enough to see why you linked the other one.

@ Trollheart

I haven't found a way to talk to the guy and not find myself getting irritated. Seems to be the type that likes confrontation.

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Mondo Bungle

It's a producer and a master flute player, but they often use a lot of "real" instruments and junk. That's one of my go to tracks I like to show people dissing electronic music

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grtwhtgrvty

Your post was irrelevant as **** and I figured it was a jibe at electronic music because of how irrelevant it was. I now see that you were just being irrelevant, so good for you, I guess. Yes Tom Waits is talented. We all know that. Sometimes less is more, but less has nothing to do with technology. It's a matter of aesthetic. You could say, based on the nuance of the Tom Waits track, there's actually a lot more happening in that than a great deal of electronic music. Less and more have nothing to do with the medium you use. It's a matter of composition and texture and aesthetic. Electronic music is actually the most capable of minimalism because you can literally create music without nuance. Listening to that Tom Waits track, I actually feel like I hear a /great deal/ of production going on. Like serious amounts of panning going on. This actually seems more technology driven than non-technology, soooooo. Idk the track was an awesome example of what technology is capable of.

So you're right. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes more and more. It has nothing to do with technology. Less or more is a matter of aesthetic.

Stop saying things like this. Don't downgrade their musical talent to "oh they must have been tripping lol." It's and ignorant thing to say. That seems to be your motif -- speaking ignorantly of things you know little to nothing about.

Frownland

Damn dude calm down.

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grtwhtgrvty

That's the irony is that I'm so calm.

Frownland

Ah. Just being a dick again for no good reason. Right on.

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grtwhtgrvty

I tried to be nice and I was labeled as a dick anyway from the get go in this thread so what's the point to be honest