Do drugs ever help people appreciate music?

RoxyRollah · 04-11-2015, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

No. I am not saying that I am angry that I haven't tried drugs. I am actually extremely happy that I have not. It's just not the kind of thing I want to take part in.

Did someone put the fear in me? That is likely. I did grow up in a religious family where every conversation I ever overheard was about how Jesus saves and that drug use is of the Devil. Haha. So you can imagine what that can impression upon a young mind. My bitterness is far more rooted in all the people that severely abuse drugs. They drag themselves down, and anyone they associate with. It's like you say. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I've seen what that kind of drug use can do, I've seen friends get completely gone from it, they're just not even there anymore.

And. I am sitting here laughing to myself because where you ask if someone put the scare on me, I have this hilarious voice in my head saying those words to me. I can't help but laugh.

See I can understand your upbringing and I can respect that you have had negative experiences with those you love or that were close to you in some form or another. There is nothing wrong with abstaining from them if that's your reason. But lumping all drugs together as bad/evil or what have you is a very simple minded way of looking at it. And if you really are that simple then God bless you continue you on about your day in simple ignorance. But you strike me not as simple but as inexperienced. And if that's the case don't be so judgmental and fearful. Judgement is instinct and its a necessary part of life, but it's also not a black and white thing. You should be able to discern when it's rooted in superstition, propaganda, and fear.

grtwhtgrvty · 04-11-2015, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

you very simple minded .

I agree.

The Batlord · 04-11-2015, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Damn it Batty!

haha, the topic is drugs, so I figured that encompassed everything that is a 'drug'.

That's my point. Drugs encompass such a wide variety of substances that it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately lump them together.

RoxyRollah · 04-11-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty

I agree.

I didn't say that.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 04-11-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

See I can understand your upbringing and I can respect that you have had negative experiences with those you love or that were close to you in some form or another. There is nothing wrong with abstaining from them if that's your reason. But lumping all drugs together as bad/evil or what have you is a very simple minded way of looking at it. And if you really are that simple then God bless you continue you on about your day in simple ignorance. But you strike me not as simple but as inexperienced. And if that's the case don't be so judgmental and fearful. Judgement is instinct and its a necessary part of life, but it's also not a black and white thing. You should be able to discern when it's rooted in superstition, propaganda, and fear.

Don't worry Roxy, I don't walk around with a helmet asking people to be my special friends.

But, no. Not simple minded (and I know you weren't saying I am.) I am inexperienced, and I do plan on keeping it that way. But I can talk to you or others who do use drugs and gain an understanding and knowledge about them. I don't like not knowing enough or as much as I can about anything. So I do what is human nature. I learn about those things I'm not all that familiar with.

So I think I can stick around in this thread and talk to people about their experiences and what they know.

And don't pay no mind to grtwhtgrvty. This person only wants to single me out and belittle me and has nothing worth while to contribute to the conversation. I'm sure a mod with take care of it if he keeps it up.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

That's my point. Drugs encompass such a wide variety of substances that it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately lump them together.

I shouldn't lump them all together. I agree.

Chula Vista · 04-11-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

My bitterness is directed at the people that abuse these drugs severely. How is that beneficial to do such a thing to your body?

Are you bitter towards those who abuse food and are obese?
Are you bitter towards those who smoke a couple of packs of cigarettes a day?
Are you bitter towards those who abuse liquor and become alcoholics?

Assuming you are, then are you also bitter towards those who can do these things in a moderate way such that they don't f*ck up their lives?

You are having a conversation here with people who have smoked weed, dropped acid, taken ecstasy, snorted cocaine, etc. Do you spot anyone in the conversation who seems overtly messed up?

Moderation is the key word. I'm extremely glad I experimented with drugs (except for that one time I let a chick shoot me with crystal meth - stupid stupid stupid). I cherious all of the memories of those amazing times and the people I shared them with.

Seriously, find a buddy who smokes weed and try a few tokes. Sit back and listen to some good music or watch a favorite movie. Then get back to us with your 'experienced' thoughts about it.

The Batlord · 04-11-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

You are having a conversation here with people who have smoked weed, dropped acid, taken ecstasy, snorted cocaine, etc. Do you spot anyone in the conversation who seems overtly messed up?

Dylstew · 04-11-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

First off, nobody swallows a hand full of anti depressants and says, "ooo let me go drop this track.."Except Nick Drake, and that was more along the lines of 'ooo let me swallow this bottle of anti depressants and die' .

Secondly the point of drugs, is to directly alter the way you feel. (just throwing that out there.) I have nothing against those who don't take drugs, but I feel as though, at least smoking a doob is a right of passage. After you try something, and decide you don't like it , that's one thing, I can respect that. Hey I tried it, I didn't like it.

People in your case however have always just struck me as control freaks. I don't want to do this because I am afraid of how I will react to it, and the thought of me being outta of control of my actions doesn't appeal to me. Which in that case I formulate the same opinion, dude relax and trying being out of control, it might be beneficial to you in some ways.

I think certain drugs are 100% beneficial to people, LSD, Mushrooms, X and weed. They change your out look and perception on life, and it almost always influences people for the better, it's just that the negative stories about these drugs get more hype then any positive stories because well, "The war on drugs" is big business.

In my own life, I would not be nearly as understanding and tolerant of a person as I am if it weren't for me dropping acid. I wouldn't know, nearly the amount of music, good music that I know if I hadn't spent countless hours tripping my face off, throwing my back out while dancing in the dirt, and listening to music. The album that changed my life with two hits of very potent ALD was The White Album. (As cliche as that sounds) it's true. And the love of music, my patience, my understanding, my tolerance, I owe completely to drugs.

So what's prude supposed to mean? Exactly what I said. Or, LOOSEN UP, CONTROL FREAK!

P.S. A doob or 11, or a trip or two might help to rectify your currently boring avatar situation.

For the first sentence, I never meant something like that, I was just saying my dislike included certain medicine as well.
I just don't want to be out of control. I'm autistic as ****, so that's not surprising. I just don't want to take drugs, and if that makes me a prude that doesn't want to loosen up, so be it I guess.

I'm not against drugs or people doing drugs, I just don't want to do it myself.

CoNtrivedNiHilism · 04-11-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Are you bitter towards those who abuse food and are obese?
Are you bitter towards those who smoke a couple of packs of cigarettes a day?
Are you bitter towards those who abuse liquor and become alcoholics?

Assuming you are, then are you also bitter towards those who can do these things in a moderate way such that they don't f*ck up their lives?

You are having a conversation here with people who have smoked weed, dropped acid, taken ecstasy, snorted cocaine, etc. Do you spot anyone in the conversation who seems overtly messed up?

Moderation is the key word. I'm extremely glad I experimented with drugs (except for that one time I let a chick shoot me with crystal meth - stupid stupid stupid). I cherious all of the memories of those amazing times and the people I shared them with.

Seriously, find a buddy who smokes weed and try a few tokes. Sit back and listen to some good music or watch a favorite movie. Then get back to us with your 'experienced' thoughts about it.

A lot of the people that abuse food by overeating, have some sort of disorder or don't know any better; no portion control, little to no exercise. I'm not bitter toward them. It'd be more accurate to say that I am frustrated that they, from my perspective, don't seem to respect their own body enough to keep it healthy. I don't know their situation so I can't and would not say I am correct about their lifestyle choices. Roxy has already pointed out why I shouldn't judge a person who uses drugs or think that they're just at home wasting away on a constant high.

Am I bitter toward people that smoke cigarettes? In some ways. Most smokers tend to really aggravate me. Most I've been around, they just light up right there and don't even ask if I mind, because yes I do mind, very much so. If you want to smoke, go to an area where I'm not standing there. See Chula, around where I live, smokers ignore no smoking signs half of the time, and they don't even heed signs that say not to smoke next to places of business. The absolute most appalling act I've witnessed, and on several occasions, is people lighting up and smoking around babies, infants; smoke is being blown right over the baby's face, I MEAN COME ON! There's a bit of bitterness Chula, and anger. I try not to be that way but it's seeing things like that, that leads me to wanting to deck the smoker in the face.

Am I bitter against people that become alcoholics? My father was a heavy alcoholic, I got beat every day till I couldn't stand on my own two feet. When I hear about someone becoming an alcoholic. I feel sorry for them, and there's a little bitterness there because I struggle with not wanting to judge, and wanting to scream in their face for not preventing it. But I don't know how they got to the way they are. So there's where I am being wrong.

Am I bitter toward people who moderately use drugs? I'm not sure, Chula. Maybe I have a bit less bitterness toward that sort of thing? I'm still not entirely sure. You're not messing up your life, that's a really positive thing. You've had really positive experiences with moderate use and nothing negative thus far, so who am I to say you're leading the wrong type of lifestyle? I may not support it, but I guess I can't knock it, or at least I'll try not to. Because I do see where it wouldn't be damaging to the person using in moderation. I also cannot in any way argue against the positive experiences and the great things you and Roxy say you've gotten from doing drugs in a moderate way.

So no. I do not see anyone that appears messed up from it.

But I will not, at all, go out and start using. It's my lifestyle choice, it's the way I chose to live. I could be missing out on some really spiritual things. But I am completely at peace with that.

The Batlord · 04-11-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism

Am I bitter toward people that smoke cigarettes? In some ways. Most smokers tend to really aggravate me. Most I've been around, they just light up right there and don't even ask if I mind, because yes I do mind, very much so. If you want to smoke, go to an area where I'm not standing there. See Chula, around where I live, smokers ignore no smoking signs half of the time, and they don't even heed signs that say not to smoke next to places of business. The absolute most appalling act I've witnessed, and on several occasions, is people lighting up and smoking around babies, infants; smoke is being blown right over the baby's face, I MEAN COME ON! There's a bit of bitterness Chula, and anger. I try not to be that way but it's seeing things like that, that leads me to wanting to deck the smoker in the face.