how today's music exists

Urban Hat€monger ? · 11-30-2014, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lifeolga

Thank you so far for all your comments - I know that the topic is not easy at all, but it is why we try to discuss it.

You ask the question if the money should come for doing nothing. The reality is the opposite - composer does a lot (months and months of work for writing the music, especially if there are lots of instruments/voices, finding the concert hall, publishing his own scores, lots of rehearsals with musicians, etc...) and then many people expect that after all of this work it is the composer who should pay for everything - to rent the hall, to pay each musician 500 euros minimum, to pay all musician's transportation, lodging, to give technical equipment, to pay for work of technicians, all kinds of things.

So, we don't speak about "0" budget with sleeping in the camping tent. We say that in order to have a possibility for the music to be composed and to be played even one time, it costs lots of money even in the case if composer doesn't ask to be payed himself. So, should we say that this is impossible at the beginning or there should be solutions for it? (crowdfunding is one of the solutions).

Then compose music that's more cost effective that doesn't need all that stuff.

Boo Hoo nobody is giving me money so I can play with a 200 piece orchestra.

Lifeolga · 12-05-2014, 04:41 PM

Oriphiel, there are right things which you are telling, and it is good to think about independence of music as a condition to exist. Of course, if we talk about microphone and internet musical space, we would choose to write mostly electronic music which wouldn't depend on life performers and the costs which would go with it, because even if we want just to record professional musicians in the studio, it costs lots of money to bring this performers, to make rehearsals and to pay fees... Also we exclude big projects which would be equivalent of opera or symphony in classical music.

Fanbase is something what is quite necessary for crowdfunding to work at all. If composer has just few friends and thinks that "goverment should support him" - we know very well from music school what was the life of Franz Schubert.

Of course, we speak about music as a passion - strong passion.

EPOCH6 · 12-05-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Then compose music that's more cost effective that doesn't need all that stuff.

Boo Hoo nobody is giving me money so I can play with a 200 piece orchestra.

Exactly. Piracy is too often used as a scapegoat for falling short in the music industry. Musicians can't expect funding or incentive for their art simply because it is genuine, passionate, and required massive effort and risk to produce. You can spend years of grueling passionate labor designing and producing anything you want, but you can't expect a return on your investment unless you know it will sell. Like any business, if you want to break even you need to cater to the consumer. You can't expect somebody to fund your passion just because you're passionate about it and strongly believe that it will enrich the artistic and culturual qualities of the hive mind.

If you're going to indulge in a style of music or performance that is no longer in wide demand, know what you're getting yourself into, anticipate financial failure, and either accept it or adapt.

EDIT: I'm glad that you are putting faith in crowdfunding as an option, that certainly is a reasonable modern approach to funding music production, it has worked for many. Just understand that classical orchestral / ensemble music is extremely obscure and probably the hardest corner of the modern music industry to achieve financial success in.

12-05-2014, 04:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
Lifeolga Groupie Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: France Posts: 3	Oriphiel, there are right things which you are telling, and it is good to think about independence of music as a condition to exist. Of course, if we talk about microphone and internet musical space, we would choose to write mostly electronic music which wouldn't depend on life performers and the costs which would go with it, because even if we want just to record professional musicians in the studio, it costs lots of money to bring this performers, to make rehearsals and to pay fees... Also we exclude big projects which would be equivalent of opera or symphony in classical music. Fanbase is something what is quite necessary for crowdfunding to work at all. If composer has just few friends and thinks that "goverment should support him" - we know very well from music school what was the life of Franz Schubert. Of course, we speak about music as a passion - strong passion.